Originally posted by The EVP: Judging by the bands, those are definatly fakes. The white squares not being uniform in size, the spacing of them being off, and that 3rd row being cut off in half by the Cohiba Box is s tell-tale sign of fakes. V.O. Brings up another point about the seal. Aren't Habanos seals usualy in the upper-left corner of a box?
I'm sorry bro, but it looks like your father was ripped-off. If he bought them from anywhere other than an LCDH store, it's 99.9% that he did get fakes.
The tell-tale is the band - if the band isn't right, it doesn't matter whether everything else is perfect - they're fakes. Even when the band is correct, there's still doubt, but in this case the band was done poorly enough to remove all doubt.
They may still be fine smokes, but they're not Cohibas.
That's all I'm saying also. This guy's reacting like we're attacking him personaly, but that's just not the case. All we're questioning is the authenticity that they are Cuban Cohibas. Nobody's saying he's a bad guy...just that cigars that may be good smokes, aren't authentic Cohibas.
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Originally posted by mcooper2: The box is sealed in the upper left had side, look at the picture. Well more for me then
Yes, but the Habanos seal EVP is referring to, is on the upper right hand side.
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Originally posted by mcooper2: The box is sealed in the upper left had side, look at the picture. Well more for me then
I'm not saying that it's NOT sealed, but the Habano's seal (the one that says HABANOS on it with the imprint of the tobacco leaf) is in the wrong location. From what I've seen, that band is typically on the upper-LEFT corner, not the upper right. This could be another indication that what you have are not authentic Cuban Cohibas.
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I guess so. I'd like to caution you though: please smoke carefully and put it away at once if you feel something wrong. I mean it - no sarcasm intended. Some fakes are pretty good, but some are dangerous for health. I would be the last one to judge a stick only by pictures, but there are just too many clues.
1. First and foremost, and undoubtedly - the band is wrong as far as the white dots and black background, as well as the gold box misplacement. Also, does everybody see that the comma is closer to the word Cuba, while it should be right after Habana? These are very clear clues and should be enough, but I'd like to continue just for the sake of exercise.
The Cohiba letters don't seem to be raised/embossed enough - but this could be the picture.
2. The source country - Mexico is notorious for fakes. I haven't been there myself, but too many people reported that both online and in personal conversations with me. If you said it's from LCDH - probably everybody, myself included would shut up, but you never did. Any place else is under suspicion.
3. Can anybody see the triple cap? I can't, even after zooming in 400%. It's double at best. Now this is not a conclusive thing as we have all learnt from ryj, but it adds doubt.
Regarding the seal, I actually meant the government seal, 'cause I thought it should be in lower left corner. But that's for boxes - for cardboard 5er it is actually right. Habanos chevron on upper right and government seal on upper left.
Edit: For the seals - I'd rather take that back, as I don't remember for sure for Siglo 4. What I remember, is that most of the CC 5ers and 3ers I have seen had the Habanos on upper right and the seal on upper left.
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I made him an offer via email. I would have even traded him if they were fake, just to be a nice guy. However no response or anything and he disregarded my email on his last post so I guess I will withdrawl my own offer.
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Originally posted by V.O.: Regarding the seal, I actually meant the government seal, 'cause I thought it should be in lower left corner. But that's for boxes - for cardboard 5er it is actually right. Habanos chevron on upper right and government seal on upper left.
Edit: For the seals - I'd rather take that back, as I don't remember for sure for Siglo 4. What I remember, is that most of the CC 5ers and 3ers I have seen had the Habanos on upper right and the seal on upper left.
I stand corrected on the seal part of my arguement...
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I'm with The EVP. mcooper2, those bands are retarded. Those are not Cohiba bands from Habano S.A. The cap on that cigar is also lame, but that's debatable. The band is not. HERE IS A REAL BAND. You probably have fakes, I'm sorry if you cannot come to grips with that. Yes, all that work to save us from trading with you for those cigars, thank you.
A good effort regarding packaging, though. Scary.
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Originally posted by V.O.: Regarding the seal, I actually meant the government seal, 'cause I thought it should be in lower left corner. But that's for boxes - for cardboard 5er it is actually right. Habanos chevron on upper right and government seal on upper left.
Edit: For the seals - I'd rather take that back, as I don't remember for sure for Siglo 4. What I remember, is that most of the CC 5ers and 3ers I have seen had the Habanos on upper right and the seal on upper left.
I stand corrected on the seal part of my arguement...
The EVP, here is an example of actual 3xEsplendidos, cheers!
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To all those that corrected me on the seals, thank you for the education. I've never seen that before on the right hand side, so I was going based upon a box. My bad....
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I've never seen that before on the right hand side, so I was going based upon a box. My bad....
