We could start our own weekly winner type "trade."
Every week everyone who posts on that thread could ante in a cigar. Then "we" randomly pick a winner, and send our cigars to him/her, and then continue next week.
Whatcha think?
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[This message was edited by Hardlined on September 15, 2004 at 12:34 PM.]
Not a bad idea...everyone one who sends a cigar in is entered...as long as there are no dog rockets....I am sure there could be 25 a week,bi-weekly or maybe once a month...anyone who enters could win...I would almost think we would need a third party to pick the winner..And once 25 cgrs are collected, the doors shut..if one or two come in late they are entered in the next weeks...at least we would have a 1 in 25 chance in winning...
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Posts: 249 | Location: Buffalo NY | Registered: July 09, 2004
I'd be up for donating a stick for this cause. I'd even do more than that, who knows, like a raffle, give 3 sticks, get 3 chances at the whole 25? Maybe, maybe not. Just an idea though. I'm in agreement with the fact that brand quality would have to be monitored. No La Vengas for a pot of 24 $7+ smokes! If we need someone to run everything, I'll volunteer to coord. it. I've got no problem keeping track of things.
Something you could do to monitor the quality. Instead on doing it by number of cigars (like lstn2dmb suggested), why not do it by cost of the cigar donated. Lets say that the total value of all the cigars donated is $100. Someone donates a $3 cigar, they get a 3/100 chance of winning. Someone donates a $10 cigar, they get a 1/10 chance of winning.
my .02
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Posts: 112 | Location: Muncie, IN | Registered: April 21, 2003
Not that I have too much experience, but I know what I generally read. This subject may work out better if a different title was presented. The weekly winner subject is kind of a turn off since it is related to the CI/Dave Savona giveaway. Maybe another thread is in order. If were going to do this, we should assume it will work from the beginning otherwise confusion can arrise. Why don't all interested parties Email me with the Subject "Interested in Weekly Drawing". In that, make a list of all you'd be willing to donate (to judge how many entries to accept) and your estimation of value (to judge total votes based on Masters recomendation). Any objections? Post anythign here and I'll check frequently.
not a bad idea but who would be the judge of the value of the cigar? Do we send them to one person..then they distribute?? or do we send them individually to the person who won and they be the judge..
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Posts: 249 | Location: Buffalo NY | Registered: July 09, 2004
It's not a bad idea to send them individually to the winner. It's overall less shipping plus it guarantees the smokes will be inpristine condition when received by the winner. Relying on a single person to receive and send out the package would require that person to have humidor space for 25 extra smokes. I know I'd have to do shuffeling to make that happen and I'd rather not have to do that if possible. In regard to how value is designated, MSRP is a start, or with smokes that this may not be possible, or may vary, a general concensous of those involved could be a way to develop this. Not only would a value have to accompany your vote, but also a bit of an explanation to avoid ridiculous "$200 value" comments that would throw the average off. For example, a member who is in the UK and buys from UK shops may pay $35 for a Cuaba Salamone but one who buys from Australia or Switzerland may only pay $22. Both answers are acceptable, and a simple justificaion of "goes for $xx here" would be sufficiant. Hows this float with you guys? Anything is up for discussion, these are just suggestions.
now would we want to respond to a post with the cigar we are putting up with the MSRP? That may not be a bad idea? Then we can have a closing time and if you don't enter you can't win...plus the person who wins can verify there collection...
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Posts: 249 | Location: Buffalo NY | Registered: July 09, 2004
I like the idea of the winner verifying the stock that is received but in regards to the rest of your post, I think I need a clarification. Are you asking if we want to get this started now? Then later on we can determine when we want it to end if we don't get the full 25? Please explain. If this is what you're proposing, we may run into more people checking it out if it's in midswing rather than always in the planning stage. Kind of the idea of "you'll catch more flies with honey than mud" or whatever that saying was that all of our mothers used years back. Basically more people will be interested if they see it's going on and working than if we just talk about it forever. Is that correct? If this is the case, I'll put up for this event: An Opus XXX from '01 with an estimated price of $13.00 and... An AVO Signature DC from '02 with an estimated price of $10.00
[This message was edited by Lstn2dmb on September 16, 2004 at 10:22 AM.]
I just thought I might re-clarify my suggestion. When I suggested basing 'chance of winning' on the value of cigar(s) someone submits over the total value of all cigars donated....I didn't think there would be a limit on the # of people or # of cigars.
Further example: Total value of all cigars is $100. I donated 1 - $3 cigar, 1 - $2 cigar, and 3 - $5 cigars....so I donated 5 cigars at a total value of $20. That should give me a 1/5 chance of winning. Let's say there were only like 5 people in the drawing. I donated 5 cigars for $20, another guy donates 2 cigars at $10 a piece (he also has a 1/5 chance), another guy donates 25 cigars for $25, he has a 1/4 chance, and 1 guy donates 1 - $5 cigar and 1 guy donates 4 - $5 cigars and a $10 cigar (for a 3/10 chance). That would be 38 cigars up for grabs. I know it's not a good example, but why put limits on something like this? If we had any number of people donating any number of cigars, we could be doubling or tripling peoples collection. I'd throw in a couple cigars for a chance at nearly doubling my collection.
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Posts: 112 | Location: Muncie, IN | Registered: April 21, 2003
sorry i was not clear i guess i was looking ahead. but when things get started everyone who wants to be apart of the trade will have to submit a post of the cigar they will put up with the msrp (as you suggested) then when who ever wins can verify they sent that cigar. just an idea to keep things fair.
the question is now do we limit the numder of people who can play at one time? i happen to have a humidor that (i made)can hold over a thousand cigars but some can only hold about 50...do we limit the number of stogies up for trade? that's why i thought of the first 25 cought off...then name selected on friday. cigars sent on monday (holiday permitting)..
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Posts: 249 | Location: Buffalo NY | Registered: July 09, 2004
I think you both have good points for your respective views (master and 'braska). But I think that maybe we should set a limit just to prevent reveiving too many smokes! I know that sounds crazy, but I have 3 humidors that are working at probably 90% capacity. If I received 40 smokes, I would be happy, but a bit short of space! Maybe we plan on the Friday Draws, but if we get more than say, 20 in a pot, we hold them over for the next draw (I believe this was suggested previously). I don't want to throw some ones idea out the window, but look at it this way, we'll have some ready for the next weeks drawing too. Going back to the original intent of this game, it was supposed to offer an easier way to win. If we keep allowing smoke after smoke, it will take away from what the originators first ideas were. Has anyone considered a monitary limit rather than a limit by number of cigars? Say if $150 was the cutoff, if 15 people gave $10 cigars, that would be great odds, plus it would more often than not give a lot of opportunities for others to win. I don't think it would be too hard to develop that amount of a price range and it actually could end up getting more than one of these going at a time. I guess I've brought up quite a few things with this post, but let me know what you think, and if we agree that it's moving forward, lets start collecting ideas of what will be given away.
Sounds terrific to me. But we could go on all day long trying to come up with variations to this game. We should try to get it rolling by deciding on the major details: How many smokes What value smokes Who chooses winner of smokes How does winner receive smokes
If we get these resolved, there are always variations that can happen later with "this weeks" giveaway. I'd love to expand our ideas, but I'd love more to actually make sure this gets started one way or another.
Again, I wouldn't limit the # of smokes, but I do like the monetary limit. I would say somewhere between $100-$200 monitary limit would be good.
As for picking a winner...I have a computerized random number generator. Give everyone a number and hit the button. See what number comes up. Or we could go the low tech way (anything with computers isn't really random...which is how people rip off slot machines). Give everyone a number and roll dice. I happen to have a 100 sided die. Dice come in all sizes: 2 sides (aka coin), 4 sides, 6 sides, 8 sides, 10 sides, 12 sides, and 20, and 100. Other than that I don't know. We'd just have to pick someone to hit the button/roll the die, and trust that they were being honest.
I think that when everyone submits their cigar, they should send it to someone who can hold them all, and find out the value of the cigars, then they send out the cigars to a winner.
Does anyone here on the forums work at a tobacconist shop? A fine tobacco shop, like the one I'm trying to get a job at, would be able to accomodate such a large stock of cigars at one time.
**EDIT** I just realize my random number/die idea doesn't work with the odd's. I mean, if the monetary value was....................I take that back. The random number generator would work. With the random number generator, I get to pick between two numbers (say 1, and 150, if the monitary value was $150). If someone donated $20 in cigars, they would get numbers 1-20. Another person donated $15 in cigars, they'd get numbers 21-35, and so forth.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -- Albert Einstien
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Posts: 112 | Location: Muncie, IN | Registered: April 21, 2003
Nice plug for the job Master. It's things like that which put smiles on us older guys faces. About the Tobacco shop, why again should we send to one person and than have them send all the smokes to the winner? It seems like that one guy would be out the shipping money than. What would be wrong with just sending directly to the recipiant of everything? He/She could keep track of what they received, versus what they were supposed to receive, rather than someone else doing it for them. Maybe I'm missing something, but why don't you explain if that's the case.
