I think I know the the answer but I have to ask.

At 10 feet what would a 12 guage with 00 shot & modified choke pattern?

Any tables for me to see?

Oh yeah. I forgot.
How far would this penetrate a deer. Would it be through & through?

QM, at 10 feet the pattern will still be pretty small. I have a full choke in my house gun and with 00 it only opens up to about 6 inches or so at 30 feet. 00 pellets are about the same diameter as a 30 cal bullet but it's moving much slower than a rifle round. You may have one or two of the nine pellets go all the way through but it's hard to say for sure.

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Originally posted by QM:

How far would this penetrate a deer. Would it be through & through?

Please don't shoot a deer with shot...it's doubtful for a kill and you're gonna be stuck with a whining, wailing, wounded deer...use a slug if all you have is a 12-guage...

Just my suggestion...don't be cruel.

jag

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Originally posted by jagmqt:

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Originally posted by QM:

How far would this penetrate a deer. Would it be through & through?

Please don't shoot a deer with shot...it's doubtful for a kill and you're gonna be stuck with a whining, wailing, wounded deer...use a slug if all you have is a 12-guage...

Just my suggestion...don't be cruel.

jag

What he said - and the slug is more accurate over a longer range

I agree with jag and CrazyPoet about using a slug at ant kind of distance. At the 10 feet that was mentioned, however, either one would work very well. Anything beyond 20 or 30 feet would warrant a slug without a doubt. Also, check your local regulations, it's illegal in some areas to use buckshot on deer.

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Originally posted by jagmqt:

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Originally posted by QM:

How far would this penetrate a deer. Would it be through & through?

Please don't shoot a deer with shot...it's doubtful for a kill and you're gonna be stuck with a whining, wailing, wounded deer...use a slug if all you have is a 12-guage...

Just my suggestion...don't be cruel.

jag

Not true at distances proper for this round. Under 40 yards, you are good to go with buckshot but you have to pattern your gun on paper and aim accordingly.

I have shot several deer with buckshot and if you use the round as it was intended to be used, it is a good choice.

My question was more about pattern & penetration. I don`t intend to shoot a deer.

At 10 feet would the wound be 8 or 9 separate entries or would it be too close for much separation to have taken place?

A pattern of 6 inches at 30 feet works out to 2 inches at 10 feet.
That to me would be like one big entry would.

I can always go out and try it.

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Originally posted by QM:
My question was more about pattern & penetration. I don`t intend to shoot a deer.

At 10 feet would the wound be 8 or 9 separate entries or would it be too close for much separation to have taken place?

A pattern of 6 inches at 30 feet works out to 2 inches at 10 feet.
That to me would be like one big entry would.

I can always go out and try it.

LOL are you planning something? Sorry just wondering

At that range, sounds more like a question for
Tony Soprano or Big Pussy (RIP)

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Originally posted by CrazyPoet:

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Originally posted by jagmqt:

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Originally posted by QM:

How far would this penetrate a deer. Would it be through & through?

Please don't shoot a deer with shot...it's doubtful for a kill and you're gonna be stuck with a whining, wailing, wounded deer...use a slug if all you have is a 12-guage...

Just my suggestion...don't be cruel.

jag

What he said - and the slug is more accurate over a longer range

Ditto!

S&B05 - I had a great follow on to your line of thinking above ("are you planning something") but it involved a pair of characters from the Sopranos and one of their names apparently didn't pass the censors (can you believe it?) and was subsequently rejected.

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Originally posted by QM:
My question was more about pattern & penetration. I don`t intend to shoot a deer.

At 10 feet would the wound be 8 or 9 separate entries or would it be too close for much separation to have taken place?

A pattern of 6 inches at 30 feet works out to 2 inches at 10 feet.
That to me would be like one big entry would.

I can always go out and try it.

The pattern spread isn't a ratio like you're thinking...if it's 6"/30', it won't necessrily be 2"/10'...I'm not sure the science behind the spread, but I don't think it's as easily calculated...

Also consider, if you are shooting something soft, like "a deer", you'll never see a pattern at close range with shot...it will pretty much destroy the area making a large hole...if you were to shoot something harder, like a tree (NOT RECOMMENDED) you are more likely to see the spread...

So, whacha shootin QM?

jag

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I can always go out and try it.

Regardless of what you plan to use a shotgun for, it makes sense to pattern it at various distances with the load you'd most likely have around.

Jeez didn't you guys ever make any of your own loads up.There is a simple way to figure out pattern at distances etc.Here you go.
http://www.rfgc.org/reload/pattern_density_calc.htm
As far as penetration it all depends on how much lead you got in the old pencil.Enjoy whatever it is you plan on doing.

Are any of y'all deer hunters? I kill deer at 10-50 yards with 3 1/2 " 00 Buck shot every year. From time to time one goes down wounded rather than dead but for the most part if you take a good kill shot and you are proficient with your shotgun the deer should fall dead.

Isn't there a problem with pellets in the meat? I always seem toget a pellet in my duck.

Is there any difference in the steel shot that has to be used inmany areas now?

You just take them out, there big enough to get out

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Originally posted by Shorthair:
Are any of y'all deer hunters? I kill deer at 10-50 yards with 3 1/2 " 00 Buck shot every year. From time to time one goes down wounded rather than dead but for the most part if you take a good kill shot and you are proficient with your shotgun the deer should fall dead.

Not being critical at all, but why wouldn't you use a slug? Or a rifle? What's the terrain in GA that you hunt on?

jag

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Originally posted by tiggerp:

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I can always go out and try it.

Regardless of what you plan to use a shotgun for, it makes sense to pattern it at various distances with the load you'd most likely have around.

Exactly. While you can make some predictions with regard to pattern based on the load-- and here I'm not talking so much about shot size as I am the powder charge and the configuration of the wad/cup inside-- and choke, you'll never know without actually going to the patterning board.

Example: I have two Beretta clays guns with 32" (optima) barrels and Comp-n-Choke chokes; I can shoot exactly the same choke and load, and I will still consistently get slightly tighter patterns with one gun over the other. Why? I suppose a detailed examination of the two pieces might provide answers, but I don't care as long as I know from patterning each shotgun and choke combination how they will shoot.

All that being said, it sounds like we're talking about a defensive shotgun, and if that's the case, your combination at short range will work just fine.

I concur for a defensive shotgun what you describe is more than adequate. I always preferred 9 pellet OO buck for that.I have one with a minimum legal barrel for home.

At work now we cannot use buck but have to carry slugs and their trajectory depends on manufacturer.

I thought the original question was for a deer gun though.