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Originally posted by flashman:
I believe you are right. There is something there that could eventually bloom...
It's the "covert" aspect of is initiative that bothered me. He didn't come right out and say : "I'm a partner in this company, I want to market this thing, what do you think ?"
Instead, he presented himself (quite awkwardly) as a third party, an innocent victim of fraud asking for ways to avert this... Knowing all along he had his own solution.
I just don't like to be taken for a ride.

I hear ya....however, perhaps he was trying to solicit honest opinion? Who knows. I'm just saying.....


Anyway, the truth is important to me.


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True. Probably would have if he would have been honest himself in is sollicitation for opinions. Just saying too...
I believe we are on the same wave-length on this...

Hi guys!

To answer a few questions:
1 - I have been victim of fraud of so called "real" cuban cigars....I paid $425/box and later was told by a friend how to detect a bad box...I found out to late, I was allready out the $425/box of Cohibas and the person who told me was my freind who I purchase them for...I felt like a complete Ass!!!! I thought that by buying them in Mexico, everything was OK, especialy when they don't have an embargo....I was wrong and quite embarassed!

2 - the "jajajajaja" is the spanish version of "hahahahaha" English equivilant - I was poking fun at myself for being a fool and buying "real" cuban cigars

3 - There is NO covert operations going on here...I asked if someone had been victim of buying Counterfeit Cigars, this so I can see if the Company that has this "security feature" has a "real chance" in this untapped market....I have visited their offices in Mexico and in Florida and I've liked what I've seen....I'm very excited that there is something out there, that will stop the counterfeits and PROTECT US the consumers...

All these factors motivated me to find out a solution to a Problem that hasn't yet been addressed....And I asked in this Forum, if anyone else had been victim of counterfeit and what would they like to have done about it...I gave my suggestion and it was taken the wrong way....I hope that you can understand why a security feature that is in the hands of the consumer is soo necessary.....Wether anyone buys is a whole different matter, but they will now have a security feature that will empower them as consumers of high end cigars and have a piece of mind that what they purchase is what they where able to verify as authentic cigars and not be embarassed of buying counterfeit cigars.....I exposed my situation to this foroum and I have been called a counterfeiter, running some sort of "covert operation", or working for Tag systems....I feel like some rape victim on trail!!!...it does me no good when your peers want to remain in the dark.

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Originally posted by flashman:
True. Probably would have if he would have been honest himself in is sollicitation for opinions. Just saying too...
I believe we are on the same wave-length on this...

HI PLEASE ALL BE AWARE!!!

http://www.cigarnexus.com/counsel/cubanseal/index.html

All right Anti-Man, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I tend to be untrustful of people who seem to have a hidden agenda and you must admit that elements of your intervention could easily be interpreted as suspicious.
This being said, you see the Cubans found a way to heighten security that doesn't neccesitate a very specialized apparatus.
Don't get me wrong, The Tag thing as potential, but it has to be generally adopted. If just one company uses it, then it becomes absurd to buy an accessory that will permit you to check only one brand.
And it still doesn't address the issue of individual sticks.

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Originally posted by Anti-Counterfeit Man:
HI PLEASE ALL BE AWARE!!!

http://www.cigarnexus.com/counsel/cubanseal/index.html

Thanks for the link! Good info if it's right. Maybe flashman can give us a thumbs up or thumbs down on this link.

Hi Flashman!!!!

You are right the Cubans found a way for them (the manufacturers) to detect a counterfeit Cigar box....But WE as consumers, What do we have????....Remember we who don't want to be ripped off go to "reputable" cigar shops, but even then you can walk into any of these so called "reputable"dealers and plainly ask them...
" How do you garantee me that this BOX of EDICION DE SILVIO MADURO (Nicaraguan Cigar) USDS $30/ cigar is the real deal????"....This is what he responded to me..." You just have to take my word on it".......Is this fair???
....Just take my word on it????.....Iv'e been taken before, but not again!!!!......I will not dish out $usd 700/box for fine cigars and take the word of some pot belly guy telling me.." You just have to take my word on it" ....and on top of thay give him $USD 700/box.....Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this scenario???...or is it soemthing that I just need to deal with????.

I hope that you can "feel" my pain and concern..

"Momma used to say - Stupid is, as stupid does"
Forrest Gump

He sounds (forrest Gump) like a real genious right about now...hu???

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Originally posted by flashman:
All right Anti-Man, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I tend to be untrustful of people who seem to have a hidden agenda and you must admit that elements of your intervention could easily be interpreted as suspicious.
This being said, you see the Cubans found a way to heighten security that doesn't neccesitate a very specialized apparatus.
Don't get me wrong, The Tag thing as potential, but it has to be generally adopted. If just one company uses it, then it becomes absurd to buy an accessory that will permit you to check only one brand.
And it still doesn't address the issue of individual sticks.

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Originally posted by Anti-Counterfeit
" How do you garantee me that this BOX of EDICION DE SILVIO MADURO (Nicaraguan Cigar) USDS $30/ cigar is the real deal????"....

Hmmm. Now I'm going to have to try this one. lol. Thanks for the 'plug'.

Hi Guys!!!
Please check out this other web site page...
Very informative:

http://www.cigarnexus.com/counsel/counterfeit/index.html

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This is what he responded to me..." You just have to take my word on it".......Is this fair???
....Just take my word on it????.....Iv'e been taken before, but not again!!!!......I will not dish out $usd 700/box for fine cigars and take the word of some pot belly guy telling me.." You just have to take my word on it" ....

I will not dish out $15 USD for a special lens from some guy who is dishonest about his involvement with the lens company just because he tells me "This will work, and I have no affiliation with this company, it is a coincidence that I have homes located near both their US and Mexico offices... you just have to take my word on it!"

ACM,

The concept of a special lens/label is an interesting one. The biggest obstacle your company will have is getting ALL the cigar makers to buy into the concept. Otherwise you would wind up with each manufacturer having their own version and costing Joe consumer lots of money so that they could make sure that they didn’t get taken to the cleaners when buying their cigars.

In the scuba industry, secret takes were places in soft merchandise that would allow the manufacturer determine what market it was supposed to have been sold in, so that they could track who was selling to grey market dealers who were undercutting authorized dealers. But again, it only works if everyone plays by the same rules.

Good luck trying to sell your product, and even better luck trying to convince people that you are not a shill for the company.

Alan

Hi KDHOFFMA,

I really don't care for your accusacion...You can say whatever it is that you please...I'm not selling anything nor am I representing anything...I have a vested interest as a consumer to be protected....Have you ever heard of "consumer magazine"???....are they out trying to sell products???....NO!!!..They are out informing the public....If you wish to be a fool or be fooled, that will be your god given right...you may remain as dumb as this chair I sit on!...I choose to excersice my mind as a consumer, and as a businessman that understands a worth while concept....If you don't like what I have to say..."just change the channel"...You may continue to be ignorant and smoke your phony cigars with your buddies and have a great time...Obviously, this "thing" of being an informed consumer and a bright one at that is just not for you...Please continue to stick your head in the sand....The world will continue without you or your 2 sense of what it is to be an educated consumer.....have a nice day!....or are you a counterfeiter of cigars that this whole NEW idea will put out of business and you feel threatened by this concept?...

"Momma uesd to say - dumb is, as dumb does"
Forrest Gump

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Originally posted by kdhoffma:

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This is what he responded to me..." You just have to take my word on it".......Is this fair???
....Just take my word on it????.....Iv'e been taken before, but not again!!!!......I will not dish out $usd 700/box for fine cigars and take the word of some pot belly guy telling me.." You just have to take my word on it" ....

I will not dish out $15 USD for a special lens from some guy who is dishonest about his involvement with the lens company just because he tells me "This will work, and I have no affiliation with this company, it is a coincidence that I have homes located near both their US and Mexico offices... you just have to take my word on it!"

Just checked out that link, Its GREAT should be required reading before anyone starts to think able Cuban cigars.

Hi Alan,

I value your opinion...It brings up some interesteng ideas that I will need to pass along with regard to your statement:

"secret takes were places in soft merchandise that would allow the manufacturer determine what market it was supposed to have been sold in, so that they could track who was selling to grey market dealers who were undercutting authorized dealers."

From what was told to me, is that they only handle very limited images and only ONE type of lens that reads ALL the images...There would only be ONE lens to read ALL the different custom cigar images.

I guess I will have a tougher time trying to be taken as an informer of this new technoligy then some guy trying to sell something 9his wares - as someone put earlier)..the only thing I'm selling is an idea - concept...thats all...

Thanks!

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Originally posted by aholsber:
ACM,

The concept of a special lens/label is an interesting one. The biggest obstacle your company will have is getting ALL the cigar makers to buy into the concept. Otherwise you would wind up with each manufacturer having their own version and costing Joe consumer lots of money so that they could make sure that they didn’t get taken to the cleaners when buying their cigars.

In the scuba industry, secret takes were places in soft merchandise that would allow the manufacturer determine what market it was supposed to have been sold in, so that they could track who was selling to grey market dealers who were undercutting authorized dealers. But again, it only works if everyone plays by the same rules.

Good luck trying to sell your product, and even better luck trying to convince people that you are not a shill for the company.

Alan

Thanks!

This is what it's about!!!

Don't buy counterfeit cigars and especialy not to empresse people into thinking that they are "real" cubans...becuase you are only fooling yourself...

I'm glad you enjoy it!!!

Hey!...Did I sell anything??
Besides a helping hand of information, Did I charge anything for this?

Please let people in our audience know that WE all to be informed consumers, especially when laying down "big bucks" for Quality Cigars.

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Originally posted by Rick B:
Just checked out that link, Its GREAT should be required reading before anyone starts to think able Cuban cigars.

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Originally posted by Anti-Counterfeit Man:
Hi KDHOFFMA,

I really don't care for your accusacion (accusation)...You can say whatever it is that you please...I'm not selling anything nor am I representing anything...I have a vested interest as a consumer to be protected....Have you ever heard of "consumer magazine"???....are they out trying to sell products???....NO!!!..They are out informing the public....If you wish to be a fool or be fooled, that will be your god given right...you may remain as dumb as this chair I sit on!...I choose to excersice(exercise) my mind as a consumer, and as a businessman that understands a worth while concept....If you don't like what I have to say..."just change the channel"...You may continue to be ignorant and smoke your phony cigars with your buddies and have a great time...Obviously, this "thing" of being an informed consumer and a bright one at that is just not for you...Please continue to stick your head in the sand....The world will continue without you or your 2 sense of what it is to be an educated consumer.....have a nice day!....or are you a counterfeiter of cigars that this whole NEW idea will put out of business and you feel threatened by this concept?...

"Momma uesd (used) to say - dumb is, as dumb does"
Forrest Gump

That's right, I'm the one who remains as "dumb as the chair you sit on". Next time don't make 4th grade spelling errors! In fact, all of your posts have major grammar and spelling issues!

Anyhow, I'm not saying you have a bad idea. I feel that counterfeit cigars are a major industry in the US, Mexico, and other countries. I'm all for a discussion on counterfeit cigars and ways to protect the average consumer (like myself). I also feel you have every right to advertise your product. The thing I don't like is that you presented (and continue to present yourself) as an average consumer when you obviously have a vested interest in this product.

My personal solution to the counterfeit issue is to frequent a local tobacco shop which has been in business (and owned by the same couple) for decades. It's true that they could be being counterfeit's without knowing, and then passing those counterfeits on to me, but I doubt it. They've earned my trust!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kdhoffma:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Anti-Counterfeit Man:
No, I don't work for TGA SYSTEMS...I would like to "push" their stuff in a way that is catered to the Cigar industry....
And I still don't understand what the OCD is all about?...I just whant to get a good Cigar and not be taken for a fool......AGAIN!!!1...ajjajajajajaj

South Florida and Mexico: Two of the hotbeds for fake CC's. No wonder he is so hyped-up about this!

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Um, has anyone realized yet that Anti-Man's location (Sunrise Florida or Merida Mexico) also happens to be the same location listed in the "about us" section of the link he has published 1000 times?

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Originally posted by kdhoffma:
That's right, I'm the one who remains as "dumb as the chair you sit on". Next time don't make 4th grade spelling errors! In fact, all of your posts have major grammar and spelling issues!

some people don't give a rat's ass on checking for spelling errors.....some of us come here to just enjoy talking about cigars. in this case, mr. ACM seems to 'fit the bill' when discussing fake cigars.




Is there a cigaraficionado.com rule that says we ought to check for spelling when posting?



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Originally posted by Anti-Counterfeit Man:
Hi Guys!!!
Please check out this other web site page...
Very informative:

http://www.cigarnexus.com/counsel/counterfeit/index.html

Thanks for the 'packaging' information.