- If these women had been smokin' hot, would anyone have been upset?
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- I don't know about you guys, but me and the wife LOVE to kiss while we eat garlic fries and watch baseball.
Lesbian kiss at Mariners game sparks controversy
SEATTLE (AP) -- Most of the time, a kiss is just a kiss in the stands at Seattle Mariners games. The crowd hardly even pays attention when fans smooch.
But then last week, a lesbian complained that an usher at Safeco Field asked her to stop kissing her date because it was making another fan uncomfortable.
The incident has exploded on local TV, on talk radio and in the blogosphere and has touched off a debate over public displays of affection in generally gay-friendly Seattle.
"Certain individuals have not yet caught up. Those people see a gay or lesbian couple and they stare or say something," said Josh Friedes of Equal Rights Washington. "This is one of the challenges of being gay. Everyday things can become sources of trauma."
As the Mariners played the Boston Red Sox on May 26, Sirbrina Guerrero and her date were approached in the third inning by an usher who told them their kissing was inappropriate, Guerrero said.
The usher, Guerrero said, told them he had received a complaint from a woman nearby who said that there were kids in the crowd of nearly 36,000 and that parents would have to explain why two women were kissing.
"I was really just shocked," Guerrero said. "Seattle is so gay-friendly. There was a couple like seven rows ahead making out. We were just showing affection."
On Thursday, after an internal investigation, the Mariners said in a news release that their seating staff had acted appropriately, and the couple was approached because of their behavior -- which included "making out" and "groping" in the stands -- and not their sexual orientation.
"We have a strict nondiscrimination policy at the Seattle Mariners and at Safeco Field, and when we do enforce the code of conduct it is based on behavior, not on the identity of those involved," Mariners spokeswoman Rebecca Hale said earlier this week.
In the release, the Mariners said the women were told they could continue to kiss, but that they had to "tone it down."
"The women refused to modify their behavior, began swearing at the seating hosts and complained that they were being singled out for their sexual orientation," the club said.
The code of conduct -- announced before each game -- specifically mentions public displays of affection that are "not appropriate in a public, family setting." Hale said those standards are based on what a "reasonable person" would find inappropriate.
Guerrero denied she and her date were groping each other, saying that along with eating garlic fries, they were giving each other brief kisses.
On Tuesday, Guerrero said a Mariners director of guest services had apologized to her. The team spokeswoman could not immediately confirm that.
Since the incident, her job and her past have come under scrutiny. She works at a bar known for scantily clad women and was a contestant on the MTV reality show "A Shot at Love With Tila Tequila," in which women and men compete for the affection of a bisexual Internet celebrity.
"People are saying it's 15 more minutes for my career," Guerrero said of the ballpark furor, "but this is not making me look very good."
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I would not have said a thing unless my kids were with me. In that case, I would have asked them to stop. If they refused, I'd probably get an usher.
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Sirbrina from a shot at love? Oh, I remember her. She's real hot. Wow, if you don't like that, you're probably a gay man yourself and shouldn't be complaining.
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Originally posted by jms2788: It's the 21st century, is this really a big deal?
Sirbrina from a shot at love? Oh, I remember her. She's real hot. Wow, if you don't like that, you're probably a gay man yourself and shouldn't be complaining.
This is the only picture I have seen of the woman in the story. She's all yours, bro . . .
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Originally posted by jms2788: It's the 21st century, is this really a big deal?
Sirbrina from a shot at love? Oh, I remember her. She's real hot. Wow, if you don't like that, you're probably a gay man yourself and shouldn't be complaining.
This is the only picture I have seen of the woman in the story. She's all yours, bro . . .
WTF happened? I guess she was all makeup and lights on TV. She isn't bad, but not "real hot" as I stated before lol.
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I would not have said a thing unless my kids were with me. In that case, I would have asked them to stop. If they refused, I'd probably get an usher.
Well, in MY fantasy one of the gay broads gets up and punches you DEAD IN YOUR MOUTH. Who the hell are you to tell people what they can or cannot do in public? Would you tell a GUY to stop kissing his girl? No? Then you can't tell the gays to stop either. It's not AGAINST THE LAW. You'd do better to take advantage of the moment to teach your kids some TOLERANCE than behaving like a jerk at the game. Better yet, point out all the people at the game getting plastered on beer and teach them about the perils of alcohol.
I would not have said a thing unless my kids were with me. In that case, I would have asked them to stop. If they refused, I'd probably get an usher.
Well, in MY fantasy one of the gay broads gets up and punches you DEAD IN YOUR MOUTH. Who the hell are you to tell people what they can or cannot do in public? Would you tell a GUY to stop kissing his girl? No? Then you can't tell the gays to stop either. It's not AGAINST THE LAW. You'd do better to take advantage of the moment to teach your kids some TOLERANCE than behaving like a jerk at the game. Better yet, point out all the people at the game getting plastered on beer and teach them about the perils of alcohol.
You sound like a very tolerant fellow Johnny Loco. Someone says something that you don't like and you hit them? How long do you hit them? Until they believe in the same things that you do? Maybe hit them until they die? You seem willing to do great violence for your beliefs in tolerance.
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Absolutely. Just because I believe in peace doesn't mean one should be a sucker. Nor do I believe in turning the other cheek. You sometimes have to FIGHT for your rights, and some people only understand a good shot in the teeth.
Well, in MY fantasy one of the gay broads gets up and punches you DEAD IN YOUR MOUTH. Who the hell are you to tell people what they can or cannot do in public? Would you tell a GUY to stop kissing his girl? No? Then you can't tell the gays to stop either. It's not AGAINST THE LAW. You'd do better to take advantage of the moment to teach your kids some TOLERANCE than behaving like a jerk at the game. Better yet, point out all the people at the game getting plastered on beer and teach them about the perils of alcohol.
Hello Pot, let me introduce you to Kettle. I love how tolerant you are, so tolerant you want to hit someone dead in their mouth. I don't call that tolerant at all, not sure what part of the country does call it that.
If you read the statement from the stadium people they said they have a code of conduct they enforce no matter what the gender or sexual preference. So, if the code of conduct says kissing is not allowed, how is this person out of bounds for asking them to stop? I get it, it's intolerant to have such a code, it discriminates against you. How intolerant of them, maybe you should punch them dead in their mouth for making such an intolerant rule.
Personally, I believe "tolerance" today is a bunch of crap. It means I'm supposed to roll over like some pansy and not defend my beliefs so I don't hurt your tender feelings. I'm a white male and Christian, how much tolerance do you think I am afforded in today's PC world? I'm asked to tolerate so much that I don't believe, but heaven forbid I ask you to tolerate my kid saying a quite prayer before having lunch in a public school. Tolerance is a two way street, the liberal side of the house sometimes forgets that.
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Originally posted by Johnny Loco: Would you tell a GUY to stop kissing his girl? No? Then you can't tell the gays to stop either.
I feel like I am a tolerant, some say liberal, guy, but it is all a matter of degrees. If the guy or girl is giving his partner - same or opposite sex- a kiss, I don't mind that. A kiss is one thing, but a make-out session is not appropriate anywhere in public, regardless as to who the participants might be.
If a couple is behaving inappropriately, straight or homosexual, I would probably ask them to respect me and others in the vicinity. It has nothing to do with being straight or gay, but rather appropriate behavior for the time and place.
Holding hands, a thoughtful kiss on the lips, playful displays of affection, etc, is appropriate for me; sexual contact is not, no matter your sexual orientation, in my opinion.
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I'm a white male and Christian, how much tolerance do you think I am afforded in today's PC world? I'm asked to tolerate so much that I don't believe, but heaven forbid I ask you to tolerate my kid saying a quite prayer before having lunch in a public school.
This is way off topic, but there is nothing that stops someone praying alone or with a group at school, so long as the action and activity is not specifically set apart as a prayer time. The rub is a specific time mandated by the state in which to pray. Your child can pray at school at any time that would be appropriate, and certainly prior to eating, if that is your child's belief, would be appropriate. A prayer organized by a teacher or the school is not appropriate under the Constitution, however.
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Originally posted by Johnny Loco: Well, in MY fantasy one of the gay broads gets up and punches you DEAD IN YOUR MOUTH.
LOL. Put Loco's next round on my tab.
Actually, Presley's a pretty tolerant guy once you get to know him. There are a few others on this board that would go on a long, badly spelled rant over this kind of topic.
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Here's my rule. If I'm there with my kids and she's not getting her fingers damp enough to turn a page, that's fine. If I'm there on my own or with my wife; keep turnin' baby!
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The problem is that somewhere along the line you guys got CONFUSED. You thought that LIBERAL and TOLERANT means you TOLERATE RACISTS, BULLIES, HOMOPHOBES, or the Christian RIGHT that wants to impose THEIR beliefs on everyone else. You have this vision of a liberal as a guy who has no idea how to knock a loudmouth out, who lets others walk all over him, and as a good, tree hugging wimp, turns the other cheek. Well, when it comes to THIS liberal, that nonsense does not apply. (For the record, I am NOT calling Presley any of those things, just making a point.) And for the record, THIS liberal believes that sometimes you have to FIGHT for your rights. Sorry to shatter your illusions of me. I don't wear sandals and tie dyed shirts.
LOL, and I'll pick up the next round & Presley's too. And guess what? I don't drink in one of those wine and cheese joints, either. Some of these guys on the FAR RIGHT crack me up with that; they think that if you are liberal you can't fight, must be a wimpy old hippy or a punk, etc. And they EXTEND that into the notion that we're in favor of tolerating people trampling on our rights, that we have no idea how to FIGHT for them. It's really hilarious; I'd like to bring all you tough right wing guys down to the inner city where I can introduce you to several of these "wimpy tolerant liberals" that exist only in your imaginations.
Originally posted by Johnny Loco: LOL, and I'll pick up the next round & Presley's too. And guess what? I don't drink in one of those wine and cheese joints, either. Some of these guys on the FAR RIGHT crack me up with that; they think that if you are liberal you can't fight, must be a wimpy old hippy or a punk, etc. And they EXTEND that into the notion that we're in favor of tolerating people trampling on our rights, that we have no idea how to FIGHT for them. It's really hilarious; I'd like to bring all you tough right wing guys down to the inner city where I can introduce you to several of these "wimpy tolerant liberals" that exist only in your imaginations.
Give me a f-ing break dude. Get off your tough guy rants and debate the topic. I'm sick you telling us how you are not a "wimp". I'm fairly sure every person (liberal or conservative) on this forum stands up for themselves when it is time to stand up for themselves.
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a) It was indeed a homophobic reaction that provoked all this. (What!? Two WOMEN kissing...)
b) Seeing the deep caca they were in, they invoked the "conduct code". (Which is pretty much BS unless you're fighting or doing drugs or having actual sexual iontercourse in the bleachers).
c) The media jumped on this like misery on poor people.
Also, I'd lke to add that all this macho "yeah, lesbians, ooooh..." talk is pretty much out of place...
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