Some people say thank goodness that someone is here that will actually work. Other say this is a problem but I say this is the size of another country. How do you deal with 11 million plus people?
Posts: 2433 | Location: 9th Plain of Hell | Registered: March 10, 2003
You mine the border and put up a wall. Militarize the border and give the National Guard "shoot to kill," order when confronting illegals who are caught illegally crossing the border.
You also give 5 yrs hard labor to those that are caught here illegally. That would solve the migrant worker problem. Put them to work 12 hrs day in the lettuce and strawberry fields.
You also have to withdraw federal funding to "sanctuary cities." The Constitution has to be changed to only give citizenship to those that parents are here legally.
Hospitals, law enforcement, social services, and schools should be mandated pay law to inquire about a persons immigration status, and report those that are here illegally.
Business that employ illegals should be heavily fined and their owners jailed.
That's how you handle the illegal immigration problem.
If I'm paying $20 for a cigar, it better be "contraband."
Posts: 208 | Location: Villa Regis, The Empreyan Heights | Registered: January 10, 2006
The best enforcement is to really crack down on anyone who hires and pays an illegal immigrant to do any work. Not just a fine, it would require giving Americans who violate this law real Jail Time.
This includes the housewife that finds a cheap hispanic cleaning person. It also includes the guy who finds "on the corner" immigrant workers who they hire to do day labor (usually paid by cash at end of each day).
Also a crackdown over driving without a license. Here in California, illegal immigrants are not allowed to get drivers licenses. But it is so out of control that the police departments do NOTHING to illegals when they are found driving without a license. They should be arrested, sent home. And repeat offenders also given jail time, then sent home afterwards.
Also, social services would be to help illegal immigrants only on an emergency basis. And such visits could also be reported and reviewed for repeaters, who would again be jailed or immediately deported.
It's not that difficult ... but a lot of people (rich American born people also) really just want "cheap labor" and they give lip service to the illegal immigrant problem. This includes the leaders of both political parties also, as neither party really wants to crack down on the illegal immigrant problem.
Posts: 1884 | Location: San Francisco, CA, USA | Registered: August 20, 2003
I am an immigrant that became an American citizen 23 years ago and you want to know how you handle illegal immigration? Every time they need public services they NEED to produce papers about their legal status.
You go to the emergency room and these people are using it as a clinic. You go to any construction site and you see half the Hispanics there and you wonder how many produced papers that they were legal here. Once you establish that a person is a illegal emigrant you size all his processions (if they have any), heavily fine the business that hired him, fine the American citizens/legal alien that housed him and charge the government of his native country a fee for returning him (I know this might not be possible but you can certainly establish such law).
The fact is not only we don’t do that, we welcome these people by allowing their kids to go to school, allowing banks to take their business, allowing businesses to hire them. If you have an environment where an illegal immigrant can flourish how you expect to stop the people from coming in. Building huge walls and increasing the National Guard at the boards is not the answer. Resources used for something like that should be used for much much stringent law enforcement to make sure the only people that can get housing, medical services, work, and education are legal immigrants.
Originally posted by blackie1: why not the death penalty ?
The fact is that these people, pay no taxes, use up resources paid by our taxes and social services paid by our taxes, and most of them refuse to take steps to rectify the first three points I made. The IRS estimates that more than 300 billion a year are being lost from LEGAL citizens in taxes. I can't even begin to guess how much more is when you throw in the illegals.
When my parents had to wait over a year just to get a visa to come here, when they had to wait more that 4 years for the Green card, when we had to wait more than 5 years for a chance at the American citizenship, you bet your ass I am pissed at these people that have no regard for the law of this country.
As by your language comment in the other thread, let me tell you. I speak fluently English and Greek and so do my children. It’s the least thing I can do to better myself, my children my family and honor this country with what it has given me. Most of these people not only refuse to learn English, their children, most of them born here can't speak a word of English when they start school, and we-the taxpayer-has to pay for special ESL glasses for kids that are not even legally here. How f-top is that? It has nothing to do with either we speak two or three languages in this country. It has everything to do with the fact that we are not geared to have two languages spoken in this country and it will take billions to do so…all paid by American citizens and legal workers. Sorry I don’t want my tax dollars spend that way.
You also give 5 yrs hard labor to those that are caught here illegally. That would solve the migrant worker problem. Put them to work 12 hrs day in the lettuce and strawberry fields.
Don't most migrant workers do this anyway for more than 5 years.
"I am a military pacifist. In that I am willing to fight for peace." Einstein
Wow I am amazed. I live near the border and "using up" resources is the furthest thing from the truth. This is political rhetoric, there is no research or studies that back that up. I am part of the social services and because I cannot bill for working with undocumented people I have to do it pro bono.
"There is no true enlightenment without conflict." - Carl Jung
Posts: 233 | Location: Las Cruces, NM | Registered: March 05, 2006
The rhetoric of using "illegals" is de-humanizes the people who want a better life for themselves. Many people who speak about this issue are from the North and have no clue about the reality of this situation. We have people who live in 3rd world conditions because they are not citizens. Whatever happened to "ALL people have the right to LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness." Also "BRING ME YOUR TIRED..." Becuase of the language we use we end up dehumanizing refugess from a country that is corrupt and we are advocating to use even more resources than we are now to put them in jail? So in other words we are willing to spend more money to incarcerate people who immigrate here than help them. Wow. This is truly sad.
"There is no true enlightenment without conflict." - Carl Jung
Posts: 233 | Location: Las Cruces, NM | Registered: March 05, 2006
I agree with cigarmanron -- penalize the people who hire them. If there's less work, fewer illegals will cross the border.
But punishing the illegals? Hard labor? Jail? Give me a break. The illegal immigrants themsevles are people just like us who are desperately looking for a better life. Where's the crime in that? Yeah, yeah, I know, they use our resources, etc. Hey, we're the richest country on Earth, we can afford to be Christian where it counts.
By cutting down on opportunities for them to work, we'll slow the flow of immigrants. Then at the borders we can just keep doing the humane thing -- rounding them up and retruning them to Mexico. That's punishment enough.
Sorry to burst your bubble but Get Real. Mexican workers have done more to help our society than you can imagine. Not one job has ever been taken by an illegal worker, that an American citizen has wanted.
As for the "not paying taxes" argument, that is B.S. Many illegal workers have a social security number that belongs to someone else or made up. So figure it out, if they are paying in to the system with a made up number, then they will Never get that money back! Period.
You were lucky to be born here. You are an American by birth. They are by choice. By the way, we are all Americans. North America is a continent.
We Californians are painfully aware of our problems. Traffic, a deteriorating environment, a completely dysfunctional school system, and overburdened health care are quickly diminishing the quality of life. There is one primary cause for those problems: people. Too many people for too few resources. And we have too many people because America's virtual open door policy has resulted in overwhelming immigration into California. And so far, efforts to fix the problem have failed."
Posts: 1884 | Location: San Francisco, CA, USA | Registered: August 20, 2003
My family came to this county about 30,000 years ago, travelling across the Bering Straits. After a number of centuries looking, we finally settled in what is now Arizona/New Mixico where we have been for about 1200 years. We welcomed European immigrants and in return were relocated (twice) had our language and religion suppresed, and were introduced to several deseases unheard of until their arrival. And now the descendants of those European immigrants (many who arrived "undocumented") want to keep out "illegal aliens". Hmmmm
Posts: 123 | Location: Chicago, IL, USA | Registered: December 29, 2003
