Posted by Anryan:

Terrorism will never run out of terrorists.
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If that is true, then we'll run out of jail space a lot sooner than we'll run out of bullets.

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If that is true, then we'll run out of jail space a lot sooner than we'll run out of bullets.

That depends on how terrorism is dealt with.
There are options other than jail or a bullet.
It's maybe too late for many of the current crop.
But it's not too late for next year's terrorists, or those of the year after, and so on...

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A military force will never "defeat" terrorism in traditional military fashion.
Terrorist acts are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly.
If a nation is willing to use its military as a police force rather than a traditional army, gains will be made against terrorism.
The question is, how long will they be willing to stay.

A voice of sanity! Too often cigar boards are full of rah rah George Bush-ites who have swallowed whole concepts like "The Global War on Terror." Terror is not an enemy; it is a TACTIC, one that is used by all sides (yes even OUR side) but is most often used by those who are outgunned and outnumbered. Terror cannot be defeated. Terrorists can be defeated, temporarily, but replacements are easily found in countries that are fighting for a CAUSE such as religion, for example. Bush has managed to convince all these people that there is a "winnable" war on 'Terror', a laughable concept, and one supported by John McSame, who will have our troops sitting there as targets indefinitely while we pour billions of dollars into a bottomless pit. And all because he won't "surrender". LMAO.

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Originally posted by Johnny Loco:
Terror cannot be defeated.

Maybe it can't, but the AQ organization CAN be defeated. And right now, they are arguably the most pressing threat to national security. And don't look now, but it looks like Bush is winning that war.

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As much as I'd like to believe what this thread is about, I am afraid it's a bit of exaggeration.

Ya think? It's the Bush administration trying to say "look at the great job we're doing! In the meantime OBL is still on the loose, the Taliban is resurgent, Iran and Hezbollah have gotten stronger, and we're bogged down in a civil war in Iraq. But otherwise we're kicking @ss!

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it looks like Bush is winning that war.

DREAM ON, brother....

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Originally posted by Johnny Loco:
DREAM ON, brother....

READ the article brother....

"On balance, we are doing pretty well," he said, ticking down a list of accomplishments: "Near strategic defeat of al-Qaeda in Iraq. Near strategic defeat for al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia. Significant setbacks for al-Qaeda globally — and here I'm going to use the word 'ideologically' — as a lot of the Islamic world pushes back on their form of Islam," he said.

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Iran and Hezbollah have gotten stronger

That's the only positive thing about it.

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Originally posted by Johnny Loco:

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A military force will never "defeat" terrorism in traditional military fashion.
Terrorist acts are criminal acts and should be dealt with accordingly.
If a nation is willing to use its military as a police force rather than a traditional army, gains will be made against terrorism.
The question is, how long will they be willing to stay.

A voice of sanity! Too often cigar boards are full of rah rah George Bush-ites who have swallowed whole concepts like "The Global War on Terror." Terror is not an enemy; it is a TACTIC, one that is used by all sides (yes even OUR side) but is most often used by those who are outgunned and outnumbered. Terror cannot be defeated. Terrorists can be defeated, temporarily, but replacements are easily found in countries that are fighting for a CAUSE such as religion, for example. Bush has managed to convince all these people that there is a "winnable" war on 'Terror', a laughable concept, and one supported by John McSame, who will have our troops sitting there as targets indefinitely while we pour billions of dollars into a bottomless pit. And all because he won't "surrender". LMAO.

Your name seems fitting. There is indeed a "winnable" war, as you can clearly see outlined in the differences in Iraq over the past year. Over a year ago, everyone was sure America would leave with our tail between our legs. Indeed, things have changed. There is a winnable war going on, but the war isn't fought with only bullets and bombs, it's fought with words, training and trust.
BTW-you should afford John McCain the respect he deserves, he sat in a POW camp being tortured for 5 1/2 years so that pricks like you could have the freedom to insult him.

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Originally posted by LuckyBreak:

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Iran and Hezbollah have gotten stronger

That's the only positive thing about it.

Once again, Lucky, we see where you stand.

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Originally posted by Johnny Loco:

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As much as I'd like to believe what this thread is about, I am afraid it's a bit of exaggeration.

Ya think? It's the Bush administration trying to say "look at the great job we're doing! In the meantime OBL is still on the loose, the Taliban is resurgent, Iran and Hezbollah have gotten stronger, and we're bogged down in a civil war in Iraq. But otherwise we're kicking @ss!

There are quite a few people here who have been to the area, including myself. There is no civil war going on there. More like a proxy-war with Iran. You don't know what you are talking about, you're just repeating what you hear on the news.

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A military force will never "defeat" terrorism in traditional military fashion.

Agreed they are like drug dealers standing on a corner.The cops arrest them or they shoot and kill one another. 30 minutes later there is a new one standing on the same corner.

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Originally posted by Presley:

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Originally posted by LuckyBreak:

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Iran and Hezbollah have gotten stronger

That's the only positive thing about it.

Once again, Lucky, we see where you stand.

Yeah I told you before, I stand where my interests lie. Everyone does.

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Yeah I told you before, I stand where my interests lie. Everyone does.

Weak.

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Originally posted by Presley:

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Yeah I told you before, I stand where my interests lie. Everyone does.

Weak.

Whatever floats your boat.

Sure. Only the conservatives "know what they are talking about". LMFAO. "there is NO CIVIL WAR. Only a PROXY WAR with Iran". BRILLIANT! Typical RightWing talking points used to advocate for the NEXT QUAGMIRE they want to get us into, a war with Iran. But in all actuality, this is a LIE on their part. There is indeed a civil war between Shiite and Sunni, which the IDIOTS in the Bush administration either did not foresee, or instigated purposely. Are the Iranians supporting the Shiites? Yes. Are the Sunni nations in the area supporting the Sunnis in Iraq, INCLUDING AL QUAEDA IN IRAQ. Of course. That was TO BE EXPECTED IN THIS TYPE OF RELIGIOUS CIVIL WAR, that the surrounding nations are going to support the people with THEIR SAME BELIEFS. DUHHHH. So instead of starting the DRUMBEATS FOR WAR WITH IRAN, why are guys like Presley not sounding them for WAR WITH SAUDI ARABIA? Where all the 9/11 guys CAME from? Which is REFUSING to increase oil production and is making Bush look like a BEGGAR going there asking for more oil?

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Originally posted by Presley:

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Yeah I told you before, I stand where my interests lie. Everyone does.

Weak.

Hey Pres..I know who the Cabron of Cairo is ..But whos the Communist Cabron of Canada???

I am sittin here laughin my a$$ off at that..

Oh ya i see Osama bin Luckybreak is at it again

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Hey Pres..I know who the Cabron of Cairo is ..But whos the Communist Cabron of Canada???

I am sittin here laughin my a$$ off at that..

Oh ya i see Osama bin Luckybreak is at it again

The Communist Cabron of Canada would be jeebus.

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Originally posted by Johnny Loco:
Sure. Only the conservatives "know what they are talking about". LMFAO. "there is NO CIVIL WAR. Only a PROXY WAR with Iran". BRILLIANT! Typical RightWing talking points used to advocate for the NEXT QUAGMIRE they want to get us into, a war with Iran. But in all actuality, this is a LIE on their part. There is indeed a civil war between Shiite and Sunni, which the IDIOTS in the Bush administration either did not foresee, or instigated purposely. Are the Iranians supporting the Shiites? Yes. Are the Sunni nations in the area supporting the Sunnis in Iraq, INCLUDING AL QUAEDA IN IRAQ. Of course. That was TO BE EXPECTED IN THIS TYPE OF RELIGIOUS CIVIL WAR, that the surrounding nations are going to support the people with THEIR SAME BELIEFS. DUHHHH. So instead of starting the DRUMBEATS FOR WAR WITH IRAN, why are guys like Presley not sounding them for WAR WITH SAUDI ARABIA? Where all the 9/11 guys CAME from? Which is REFUSING to increase oil production and is making Bush look like a BEGGAR going there asking for more oil?

Yeah, you're about twelve. I mean really, is that how you express yourself in person? Randomly screaming certain words or phrases? You come off as entirely too ignorant to even acknowledge.

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Originally posted by Johnny Loco:
Sure. Only the conservatives "know what they are talking about". LMFAO. "there is NO CIVIL WAR. Only a PROXY WAR with Iran". BRILLIANT! Typical RightWing talking points used to advocate for the NEXT QUAGMIRE they want to get us into, a war with Iran. But in all actuality, this is a LIE on their part. There is indeed a civil war between Shiite and Sunni, which the IDIOTS in the Bush administration either did not foresee, or instigated purposely. Are the Iranians supporting the Shiites? Yes. Are the Sunni nations in the area supporting the Sunnis in Iraq, INCLUDING AL QUAEDA IN IRAQ. Of course. That was TO BE EXPECTED IN THIS TYPE OF RELIGIOUS CIVIL WAR, that the surrounding nations are going to support the people with THEIR SAME BELIEFS. DUHHHH. So instead of starting the DRUMBEATS FOR WAR WITH IRAN, why are guys like Presley not sounding them for WAR WITH SAUDI ARABIA? Where all the 9/11 guys CAME from? Which is REFUSING to increase oil production and is making Bush look like a BEGGAR going there asking for more oil?

Quagmire?

Indeed, you are quite the village idiot. Unfortunately, we have quite a few other village idiots here.

June 01, 2008-

U.S. monthly death toll drops to new low

* Iraq says oil production at post-war high

* Australia pulls out combat troops



By Ross Colvin

BAGHDAD, June 1 (Reuters) - U.S. troop deaths in Iraq fell to their lowest level last month since the 2003 invasion and officials said on Sunday improved security also helped the country boost oil production in May to a post-war high.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Iraq's oil minister credited better security for the two milestones, which illustrated a dramatic turnabout in the fortunes of a country on the brink of all-out sectarian civil war just 12 months ago.

"We've still got a distance to go but I think lower casualty rates are a reflection of some real progress," Gates told reporters in Singapore. "The key will be to continue to sustain the progress we have seen."

American generals have stressed that the security gains are both fragile and reversible. That was shown in March, when an Iraqi government offensive against Shi'ite militias in southern Basra sparked a surge in violence in the capital and other cities, catching U.S. and Iraqi officials off guard.

The U.S. military said 19 soldiers died in May, the lowest monthly death toll in a five-year-old war that has so far claimed the lives of more than 4,000 American soldiers.

Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani told Reuters in an interview that the improved security had helped Iraq, which has the world's third-largest oil reserves, raise oil production to a post-war high of 2.5 million barrels per day in May.

Iraq's oil industry, hit by decades of sanctions, war and neglect, was a vulnerable target for saboteurs after the U.S. invasion. Attacks on pipelines quickly destroyed any hopes of using Iraq's vast oil reserves to fund its reconstruction.

The military says violence in Iraq is now at a four-year low following crackdowns by U.S. and Iraqi forces on Shi'ite militias in southern Basra and Baghdad and on al Qaeda in the northern city of Mosul, its last major urban stronghold.

"In May we have exceeded for the first time a 2 million barrels per day export rate. In production we have exceeded 2.5 million bpd," Shahristani said.

The number of Iraqi civilians killed in May also fell, to 505, after reaching a seven-month high of 968 in April, figures compiled by the interior, defenc