Sheep, you can call it what you will. I don't know you but you have posted some very ignorant, immature and bigoted remarks in this thread. Not to mention outright lies and groundless accusations.
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Sheep, you can call it what you will. I don't know you but you have posted some very ignorant, immature and bigoted remarks in this thread. Not to mention outright lies and groundless accusations.
Come on Ryan you are from Ireland i assume you are Catholic if not i assume God fearing. You honestly tell me you condone homosexual behavior around children?
This is against all that is good and normal my God man what is with you? Are you an Atheist? If so i do pity you as much as i do all those who live that lifestyle.
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For a grown man (?) that's a shamefully bigoted moronic thing to say.
Ya think? What is so bigoted about it? Oh i get it you prefer Homosexual and Lesbians. Because that terminology means your educated? Now that thought process is MORONIC! Call them what you wish as far as i am concerned they have no business around children. For all you liberals think about this how many times in your life have you as a child seen two adults either kissing or having sex? Mostly by accident now think of the impact that has on a child with same sex parents. Children learn by example.
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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY: Children learn by example.
If you are unable to educate your children and teach them that they are free to make their own choices, that is your fault.
To legally exclude an entire group of people from marriage under the assumption that they will be unable to properly raise their children, is incredibly bigoted and stupid.
Passing a law defining who can and cannot be married and raise children is a discriminatory practice. If the government is going to be in the business of marriage, it better have a damn good reason to exclude a certain class of consenting adults.
Fortunately, your ignorant belief that gays would not make good parents doesn't make the cut.
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Since marriage is not available to every adult in most states, perhaps it is marriage that should be outlawed. That would be one way to get rid of "special rights".
Hum...just thinking...what's so important about marriage and getting a "seal of approval" by either a government or a church of an organized religion anyway?
And without marriage, there would be no need for divorce if a couple separates. No need for "approval" to move apart.
(Some thoughts to consider).
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Hum...just thinking...what's so important about marriage and getting a "seal of approval" by either a government or a church of an organized religion anyway?
In many countries marriage brings benefits regarding taxation, inheritance and legal guardianship of children, just to mention a few. I'm not saying that's the way it should be but that's the way it is. I almost left out, for many, hopefully most, married couples, there are more important reasons than the ones listed above or a "seal of approval" for their decision to marry. There is no reason homosexual couples should not be allowed to make the same commitment.
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I definately do not agree with same-sex marriages, nor do I agree with activist judges who legislate from the bench and push their own agenda. However, I believe that to each his/her own. I often think of my own moral/religious background and how I try to live my own life. However, for those of us who hold reservations about a homosexual lifestyle, due strongly to our own religious beliefs, we must remember that sin is sin in the eyes of God. All sin is the same in the sight of God. So, if I were an adulterer with a woman, i'd be just as guilty in the eyes of God as the two guys/girls across the street in a same sex relationship. As a Christian, I do the best I can to never pass judgements on other peoples behavior, as I know that people who live in glass houses should never cast stones. I must look to myself and change what I can about my own life before I worry about someone elses. I do agree with Sheep when he says that a same sex couple most likely cannot provide what a child needs as far as gender specific roles and behaviors. However, I do my best to never pass judgement on others as I do not like to be judged. I know I am guilty of sin in my own life each day, who am I to tell others what is the right way. I have had homosexual friends in the distant past, while I did not agree with their lifestyle, it was none of my business. I agree that people should have the freedom to do as they wish, within the law of course. However, I do not agree with a same sex couple raising a child together.
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For a grown man (?) that's a shamefully bigoted moronic thing to say.
Ya think? What is so bigoted about it? Oh i get it you prefer Homosexual and Lesbians. Because that terminology means your educated? Now that thought process is MORONIC! Call them what you wish as far as i am concerned they have no business around children. For all you liberals think about this how many times in your life have you as a child seen two adults either kissing or having sex? Mostly by accident now think of the impact that has on a child with same sex parents. Children learn by example.
Sheep it is good to see you read the reports linked to by Jack above my post. What is bigoted about your views is that you have resorted to playground teminology and ignorant hunches when confronted by scientific studies that show you are wrong.
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Sheep it is good to see you read the reports linked to by Jack above my post. What is bigoted about your views is that you have resorted to playground teminology and ignorant hunches when confronted by scientific studies that show you are wrong.
I read the posts by Jack and so what your one of those people who believe everything they read or see on television.Those articles are part of a Liberal society that condones this sort of abnormal behavior.Playground terminology yes it was indeed. Bigoted most certainly not A Bigot is one who is intolerant of opinions,lifestyles,or identities differing from his or her own.That i am not i said if you had bothered to read my posts i have no problem with there lifestyle or right to live it .As morally disruptive as it may be All i said was they have no business raising children.If you are so offended by my opinion then you sir are the bigot.
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Those articles are part of a Liberal society that condones this sort of abnormal behavior.
There is nothing either "liberal" or "conservative" about the studies from the two insititutes. They show the results of statistical surveys intended to determine whether or not having parents of the same sex had any observable influence on a child's development in terms of sexual preference, gender identification or social skills. Both studies, conducted independently and at separate times, conclude there is no difference in that development between children with opposite sex parents and those with same-sex parents. The results are scientific, conclusive and not debatable.
Further, the results are not surprising. Sexual preference is not acquired, it's not transmitted from parents to their kids. If a child were to inadvertently encounter his or her same-sex parents being intimate, as occasionally happens in families, it's just inane to think that experience, by itself, would result in a proclivity to homosexuality as the child grows up. It would not.
The overarching concern is that the child grow up in a household in which his parents, regardless of gender, are loving, kind and respectful of each other and of the child, and provide a stable, nurturing and safe environment in which the child can develop in self-esteem, independence, spirituality and social functionality.
This is my last word in this particular thread. It's creepy and uncomfortable being anywhere near Sheep now.
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Originally posted by Presley: I definately do not agree with same-sex marriages, nor do I agree with activist judges who legislate from the bench and push their own agenda. However, I believe that to each his/her own. I often think of my own moral/religious background and how I try to live my own life. However, for those of us who hold reservations about a homosexual lifestyle, due strongly to our own religious beliefs, we must remember that sin is sin in the eyes of God. All sin is the same in the sight of God. So, if I were an adulterer with a woman, i'd be just as guilty in the eyes of God as the two guys/girls across the street in a same sex relationship. As a Christian, I do the best I can to never pass judgements on other peoples behavior, as I know that people who live in glass houses should never cast stones. I must look to myself and change what I can about my own life before I worry about someone elses. I do agree with Sheep when he says that a same sex couple most likely cannot provide what a child needs as far as gender specific roles and behaviors. However, I do my best to never pass judgement on others as I do not like to be judged. I know I am guilty of sin in my own life each day, who am I to tell others what is the right way. I have had homosexual friends in the distant past, while I did not agree with their lifestyle, it was none of my business. I agree that people should have the freedom to do as they wish, within the law of course. However, I do not agree with a same sex couple raising a child together.
Thanks for being honest, this gets to the bottom on the matter. People who are against same sex marriage are against it due to religious reasons, or that's the way it is most of the time.
Now, SHOULD children have a mother and father? Sure, but is that the only way? No, I don't believe so since many children, including myself, didn't have a father in the lives and do just fine.
You cannot really decide whether same-sex couples should be able to adopt children based on the chance the children might not learn tasks that are traditionally "gender specific"(i.e hunting and fishing). Come on, woman can't fish and can't teach boys how to fish? A man can't be as caring as a woman? Either way, that's pretty sexist.
Children may learn by example, but maybe not in this case. With homosexuality, it might be nuture, but could be nature, the jury is still out.
This is anecdotal, but I know a few people who had homosexual parents who are heterosexual.
Also, when considering adoption, you have to look at the household where these kids would be as a whole. Look at all these cases where foster kids are placed in bad homes. Now, is it better to place a child with a heterosexual couple who are less quailified to care for children than a qualified homosexual couple? No, I don't believe so, it should be judged on a case by case basis.
In a perfect world, everybody would have a mother, father, and a strong extended family, but I do not believe that is the only way to produce a strong, healthy, intelligent adult.
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You have got to be kidding. Marriage is a union between man and women. If god had intended otherwise same genders would be able to reproduce with each other.Or for those of you that are atheist nature would have arranged this.To reward two people of the same sex with a child either by adoption or artificial means to raise in that environment is not normal.Homosexuality is not normal in itself. So let me get this right all these abnormals yield normal children.Children that grow up with good morals God fearing responsible.I would be equally as critical of two Alcoholics or Drug addicts or people who fought violently every day in front of there children.I don't care what anybody says children do not belong in such an environment.Oh and Jack to say something is undebatable is pretty closed minded for a Liberal don't ya think?
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Homosexuality is not normal because your ancient texts tell you it isn't. Prior to that, it wasn't THAT big of a deal. The Aristocracy in Athens did just fine with it, although there was some resentment. Hadrian, who was one of the better emperors of Rome, had a homosexual relationship.
People raised around homosexuals and who were homosexuals themselves turned out just fine. For example, Socrates. Yeah, what a lunatic freak he turned out to be from being around homosexuality.
In fact, some of the greatest minds to come of of Greece saw homosexuality on a regular basis, yet they laid the foundation for academics and intellectual discovery.
Please, children around homosexuals would only be effected negativly because people of faith would go and tell them how their parents are sinners and will burn in hell and how they will too if they accept their parents way of life. Obviously, if you have people constantly atacking you, you might be a little screwed up.
On a side note, in Greek myth, all genders could produce with each other because there were actually three genders.
The point I'm getting at is that it's all belief. In the USA, we are supposed to have seperation of church and state, and the only argument you hear against homosexual marriage is SOLEY based on religion. There could be a better arugment for homosexuals getting cildren, but marriage itself, it's all about religion.
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