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Originally posted by Jack White:The Grenada invasion wasn't an easy walk in the park. Actually, 19 American Marines, Army Rangers and Navy SEALS died during the Grenada invasion, which was as much an operation to get rid of a Marxist Cuban ally as it was to rescue students.

Forty-nine Grenadans were killed, as were 29 members of Cuba's People's Revolutionary Army (PRA). Twenty-four civilians were killed.

The CIA convential wisdom is that Grenada would've have blocked the sea routes to Venezuela and given failing grades to students that couldn't make it into med schools in the States (and probably Canada & Western Europe).
Luckily the British Commonwealth Governor General was there to guide the transition, finish the airport and get international money to pave the roads that weren't paved and repave the one's that were battered.

(well u know, up here it was CBC & CTV, they did not see the world like ABC, CBS & NBC did)

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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:
What an A-Hole.

Nice comeback.

The Grenada invasion wasn't an easy walk in the park. Actually, 19 American Marines, Army Rangers and Navy SEALS died during the Grenada invasion, which was as much an operation to get rid of a Marxist Cuban ally as it was to rescue students. Quote



It should also be noted that on October 23, 1983, American foreign policy and pride suffered a terrible shock when a Muslim suicide bomber destroyed the Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 240 U.S. Marines. A successful campaign in Grenada would prove helpful in alleviating the pain of that setback.

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Nice comeback.


Never Forget:
9/11/01
6/6/44

Thanks glad you enjoyed it as much as i did.

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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:

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Nice comeback.


Never Forget:
9/11/01
6/6/44

Thanks glad you enjoyed it as much as i did.

Exactly the type of educated response I expected.
Indeed, you prove my point every time.

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It should also be noted that on October 23, 1983, American foreign policy and pride suffered a terrible shock when a Muslim suicide bomber destroyed the Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 240 U.S. Marines.

Sadly, this was a major victory for Hezbollah and terrorism in general, and became a template for future terrorist bombings. Reagan pulled out all U.S. troops from Lebanon -- in the eyes of the Arab world, tail between their legs -- after the bombing, without retaliation.

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Originally posted by Jack White:

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It should also be noted that on October 23, 1983, American foreign policy and pride suffered a terrible shock when a Muslim suicide bomber destroyed the Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 240 U.S. Marines.

Sadly, this was a major victory for Hezbollah and terrorism in general, and became a template for future terrorist bombings. Reagan pulled out all U.S. troops from Lebanon -- in the eyes of the Arab world, tail between their legs -- after the bombing, without retaliation.

You're right, we never should have pulled out. I feel the same way about Magudishu as well. Those moves provided tremendous incentive to radical islam as well as enboldening them. This is precisely why they conduct operations in Iraq in the manner they do. They expect us to retreat as we did in those two instances.

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Reagan pulled out all U.S. troops from Lebanon -- in the eyes of the Arab world, tail between their legs -- after the bombing, without retaliation.

Since we are taking a trip down memory lane lets not forget the icing on the cake.The Uss Cole

Both the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration have been criticized for failing to respond militarily to the attack on the USS Cole before September 11, 2001. The 9-11 Commission Report cites one source who said in February 2001, "[bin Laden] complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked [in response to the Cole]... Bin Ladin wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger."[17]

Evidence of al-Qaeda's involvement was inconclusive for months after the attack. The staff of the 9-11 Commission found that al-Qaeda's direction of the bombing was under investigation but "increasingly clear" on November 11, 2000. It was an "unproven assumption" in late November. By December 21 the CIA had made a "preliminary judgment" that "al Qaeda appeared to have supported the attack," with no "definitive conclusion."[18]

Accounts thereafter are varied and somewhat contradictory.

Blah Blah Blah The fact remains the United States once again failed to do anything therefore taking a submissive posture. Sort of like allowing one to urinate down your back and tell you its raining. Is it any wonder that the United States is in the position it is in today. My question is why? Everyone knows the United States is not afraid of any thing.

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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:
Since we are taking a trip down memory lane lets not forget the icing on the cake.The Uss Cole

Don't forget the East African embassy bombings and our subsequent chicken $hit response.

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Originally posted by SubChop:
All I can say (regarding the direction this thread has taken) is that of all the services; generally speaking of course; if the sh!t were to hit the fan, I'd rather be standing next to a Marine. Actually, I'd rather be standing next to a SEAL, but as a whole service, I'd rather it were a Marine!

Would a guy in 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta work? Oh, wait, they "don't exist" do they? My understanding is it's quite obvious they do exist to those of you that have ever been at Bragg or in the military in general. Of at least that's what my brother said. They train underground, right?

Why will they never confirm nor deny Delta Force exists when everybody knows they do?

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Originally posted by SubChop:
All I can say (regarding the direction this thread has taken) is that of all the services; generally speaking of course; if the sh!t were to hit the fan, I'd rather be standing next to a Marine.

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Don't forget the East African embassy bombings and our subsequent chicken $hit response.

Duly noted.
You know when the Americans marched through Europe during world war 2 The Germans feared them and at that time the German army was feared through out Europe.
American politics or rather the lack of retaliation as we have all pointed out.
IMHO has caused all the problems America faces today.

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Would a guy in 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta work? Oh, wait, they "don't exist" do they? My understanding is it's quite obvious they do exist to those of you that have ever been at Bragg or in the military in general. Of at least that's what my brother said. They train underground, right?

Why will they never confirm nor deny Delta Force exists when everybody knows they do?

You know James my brother is a carrier officer in the Army he will not even admit to me that they exist.
Its sort of like asking a gangster if the Mafia exists.

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All I can say (regarding the direction this thread has taken) is that of all the services; generally speaking of course; if the sh!t were to hit the fan, I'd rather be standing next to a Marine.



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Don't forget the East African embassy bombings and our subsequent chicken $hit response.

I agree, for the most part. But in our slight defense, the nature of pre-9/11 terrorism is that it was unclear who to retaliate against, even if we knew who was responsible (which we didn't). If we're attacked by Japan, it's easy -- go bomb the hell out of Japan. But with terrorism, we didn't know as much as we do now about the whos, wheres and whys. While the U.S. could think it might have been Hezbollah, or it might have been Al Qaeda, or it might have been Islamic Jihad, how do we pick a target for retaliation? Who do we bomb?

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Originally posted by Jack White:
I agree, for the most part. But in our slight defense, the nature of pre-9/11 terrorism is that it was unclear who to retaliate against, even if we knew who was responsible (which we didn't). If we're attacked by Japan, it's easy -- go bomb the hell out of Japan. But with terrorism, we didn't know as much as we do now about the whos, wheres and whys. While the U.S. could think it might have been Hezbollah, or it might have been Al Qaeda, or it might have been Islamic Jihad, how do we pick a target for retaliation? Who do we bomb?

I don't think this is accurate. I think the CIA and FBI were very confident bin laden was behind the attacks after just a couple of weeks of investigation. The bombings took place on August 7, 1998. Our response came in the form of a cruise missile attack on al qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and a factory in Sudan on August 20.

Our intelligence community knew we were at war with al qaeda. It is too bad our President had other things on his mind at the time.

True enough, I guess, at least in the embassy attacks. They actually caught the guy that threw the grenade at the guard's gate, allowing the explosive-laden truck into the embassy's underground garage.

Of course, it turned out the factory we destroyed in response in Sudan was a pharmaceutical plant that made fully half the medicine for both people and animals in the entire country. The administration had intelligence it may have been producing nerve gas, but investigations after the retaliatory attack indicated that wasn't the case.

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While the U.S. could think it might have been Hezbollah, or it might have been Al Qaeda, or it might have been Islamic Jihad, how do we pick a target for retaliation? Who do we bomb?

This is true after all they hide amongst civilians they are too scared to let themselves be known real cowards. I saw a bumper sticker that answers your question it read and i quote"Bomb them all let God sort them out". While this mentality is considered barbaric by today"s standards.You have got to admit if the Arab/Muslim community was more afraid of being bombed by the United States.Than they where of the terrorists they hide in there community's.The war would be over in a week.

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Would a guy in 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta work? Oh, wait, they "don't exist" do they? My understanding is it's quite obvious they do exist to those of you that have ever been at Bragg or in the military in general. Of at least that's what my brother said. They train underground, right?

Why will they never confirm nor deny Delta Force exists when everybody knows they do?

You know James my brother is a carrier officer in the Army he will not even admit to me that they exist.
Its sort of like asking a gangster if the Mafia exists.

Mafia? What's this Mafia you speak of? I never heard of it.