I'm sure by now, many of you have read or heard about this on the news. Please, take some time to see how our Army is treating our soldiers. This is inexcusable. All I can say is, thank God I joined the Air Force, I have always stayed at first rate facilities while I've been in the Air Force, because our leaders actually care about how we live, day in and out. The quality of life for the soldiers in the Army is abyssmal. See for yourself,about 1/3 of the way into the video.
My wife has a cousin who is in the airforce. She trains people how to drive convoys(ie not stopping)
She told us that if a soldier dies on the field, since there is a shortage of weapons, they simply hand the gear and weapons to someone else.
The deceased person's family is then charged for the missing gear and weapons. I'm told this is normally deducted from the life insurance or payment from the government.
I don't know if this was a single incident that she knew of that she was disgusted by or if this is common practice, but if it happened even once, its an atrocity.
Originally posted by icall: My wife has a cousin who is in the airforce. She trains people how to drive convoys(ie not stopping)
She told us that if a soldier dies on the field, since there is a shortage of weapons, they simply hand the gear and weapons to someone else.
The deceased person's family is then charged for the missing gear and weapons. I'm told this is normally deducted from the life insurance or payment from the government.
I don't know if this was a single incident that she knew of that she was disgusted by or if this is common practice, but if it happened even once, its an atrocity.
Personally, I wouldn't believe this. First off, in my experience (two deployments to Iraq and one to Afghanistan) there is no shortage of weapons - period!!
If a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine dies in the field we will collect his weapon and gear, but for the purpose of denying the enemy the opportunity to confiscate it after we depart the area. Conceivably a member's family could be charged for lost gear and/or weapons. Realistically if a weapon is unaccounted for, an investigation is conducted and a form (called a Missing, Lost, Stolen or Recovered (MLSR) property report) is completed. In the case where a member dies in the field (i.e. in combat) the loss is written off and the member is not charged for the loss.
IF, a member's family were charged for the loss, it would be the result of a series of mistakes and the charge would be reversed - I'd bet my paycheck on it.
IMHO, these stories that are too good (or atrocious) to be true, usually aren't.
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All I can say is, thank God I joined the Air Force,
I love air force guys they always put themselves above all other branches of military.My gunny sergeant used to say when they drop bombs the blood could go so high it would splash the clouds but never reach them.
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Originally posted by salibas007: in fact, all I can say is thank God I went to school
What are you coyly trying to say?
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Originally posted by SubChop: Personally, I wouldn't believe this. First off, in my experience (two deployments to Iraq and one to Afghanistan) there is no shortage of weapons - period!!
If a soldier, sailor, airman or Marine dies in the field we will collect his weapon and gear, but for the purpose of denying the enemy the opportunity to confiscate it after we depart the area. Conceivably a member's family could be charged for lost gear and/or weapons. Realistically if a weapon is unaccounted for, an investigation is conducted and a form (called a Missing, Lost, Stolen or Recovered (MLSR) property report) is completed. In the case where a member dies in the field (i.e. in combat) the loss is written off and the member is not charged for the loss.
IF, a member's family were charged for the loss, it would be the result of a series of mistakes and the charge would be reversed - I'd bet my paycheck on it.
IMHO, these stories that are too good (or atrocious) to be true, usually aren't.
Thanks for clearing that up Subchop. Something just didn't make sense with that story.
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I love air force guys they always put themselves above all other branches of military.My gunny sergeant used to say when they drop bombs the blood could go so high it would splash the clouds but never reach them.
Actually, if you research the topic a little, you will find that many Air Force units are supplementing Army units right now, especially Security Forces and Trans. We do convoys and deploy into the rough areas too. The differences I'm pointing out is that when we are at any faciility, our leadership cares enough to make sure that we stay in nice areas. That is the nature of the Air Force, pilots and aircrew alike deserve that as well as the rest of our personnel. Why? Well, by nature, pilots and aircrew have critical jobs that demand full mental attention. It is hard to give full attention to something if you are tired. A lot of people think that all the services are the same, just different colors and uniforms. Wrong. The Air Force is known for taking care of our people. I haven't had to share a room with someone in ten years, and our facilities are first rate. The Navy takes good care of their people as well, from what I gather. I've seen a few naval bases and while their facilities aren't typically as nice as ours, they are reasonable. The Army and Marines on the other hand, do not do so well. After all, the Air Force is the hardest service to qualify for. There is a reason for that.
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Look i served in The Marine corps and you guys are well known to all as prima donnas.To say your job is more important than ours is insulting to say the least.I was proud of my service to my country.And even though i served in peace time.I got the chance to rescue some students off the island of Grenada.That makes me feel good i never consider myself above any other branch of the military. My friend Paul joined the Air Force and left for 2 reasons one was that attitude.The second was breach of contract because they promised him all this crap and never delivered.So go sing that song of non-sense to those who don't know any better we veterans have all ready been there.
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"All that it takes for evil to triumph is that good men and women do nothing"-Edmund Burke
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Originally posted by salibas007: in fact, all I can say is thank God I went to school
What are you coyly trying to say?
back where I came from, your education helped orient you into what branch of the military you got into...
someone with less than a high school education would make the lowest rank, eat cocrach infested potatos, and sleep in the crapiest of all baracks..
someone with a better education, made officier right away.. would eat better food, sleep in better quarters.. basicallly wouldn't be treated as a nobody (and don't take this as me saying that no eduction means you're a nobody .. it isn't.. it is just the way it works in the majority of the world)..
Originally posted by salibas007: back where I came from, your education helped orient you into what branch of the military you got into...
someone with less than a high school education would make the lowest rank, eat cocrach infested potatos, and sleep in the crapiest of all baracks..
someone with a better education, made officier right away.. would eat better food, sleep in better quarters.. basicallly wouldn't be treated as a nobody (and don't take this as me saying that no eduction means you're a nobody .. it isn't.. it is just the way it works in the majority of the world)..
so now you get what I was saying ??
Well, it is true that rank has it's privileges, but as officers (and senior enlisted) it is our job to make sure our junior troops never have to live in conditions like those shown on the video. Someone's head is going to roll!
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Three Cornel students visited up here about three years ago. Two were USMC ROTC studying business.
Interesting guys. We took them to the local LCDH and then to Stogies.
They all bought Cohiba robustos and drank Jack Daniels. Now isn't that just so...so...so American.
By the way those barracks are health hazard and psychologically depressing. Most cities will fine the landlord and eventually condemn buildings like that.
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I agree with you Sheepshead. I was in the Navy and the AF was known to all as a bunch of prima donnas. They think their crap doesn't stink, and that the other services are a bunch of uneducated inbred hicks. Check out the article below:
Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY: Look i served in The Marine corps and you guys are well known to all as prima donnas.To say your job is more important than ours is insulting to say the least.I was proud of my service to my country.And even though i served in peace time.I got the chance to rescue some students off the island of Grenada.That makes me feel good i never consider myself above any other branch of the military. My friend Paul joined the Air Force and left for 2 reasons one was that attitude.The second was breach of contract because they promised him all this crap and never delivered.So go sing that song of non-sense to those who don't know any better we veterans have all ready been there.
Marines think they're better than all other branches, not just the AF, admit it Sheep .
My step-brother(who actually should be leaving Iraq very,very soon) is in Recon and always talks about how the Army Rangers are less trained than Recon and things like that. Not only him, but all his Recon buddies too. None of them like the Army Rangers or the AF. They're cool with the Navy Seals though, I think.
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Posted May 02, 2008 11:13 AM Hide Post I agree with you Sheepshead. I was in the Navy and the AF was known to all as a bunch of prima donnas. They think their crap doesn't stink, and that the other services are a bunch of uneducated inbred hicks. Check out the article below:
Maybe it's just because I am an Infantryman but I'm happy that I am staying in a building and now sleeping out under the stars. I don't see the big deal. The conditions in those barracks suck, but you can't let this sort of thing upset you as a grunt.
I just mobilized out of World War II era barracks where the paint was peeling off the walls and we had to string extension cords across the bay to power the place. Yes, the barracks were pretty bad. We didn't like it but we dealt with it. Suck it up and drive on.
Did the men in those barracks deserve better? Absolutly. Will they get it? Probably not. Welcome to the infantry. Wash your hands. Take some Motrin. Put on your rucksack and move the F*#k out and draw fire.
Things aren't right the way they used to be. Things aren't right the way they are now. Things won't be right in the future.
As a grunt, you will go crazy if you try to wrap your head around why things are the way they are. I can't make my barracks better. I can't make the training better. I can't make the equipment better. But for the 35 soldiers in my platoon, I can be the best leader I can be and try to insulate them from all of the BS from higher.
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Big Tobacco, thank you for your post. Sure, I would love for these guys to be up in Hiltons b/c I think they deserve it...but I also know that my grandfather slept on the ground with his helmet as a pillow when he was in WWII, so I guess I don't have such a bleeding heart for some of this stuff. "I didn't get a phone call for a month or a letter for 2..." give me a break, your son is not in a Panera wi-fi hot spot he's in the middle of a war. I don't know, I'm sure I'll get jumped on for siding this side of the argument, but that video just didn't seem like the worst thing going on right now.
