Has anyone else encountered anything like his article about swearing in their lives? I have had people comment about my language in very similiar situations. I think its ridiculous that some people are so offended by words. They are just words, nothing more. Listening in on someone elses conversation and then getting offended by something they werent even supposed to be hearing anyway just doesnt make sense. Suckling should have been more offended than the other guy, since he was the one being spied on. I think that in a private conversation you should be able to speak however you choose, because its not meant to be heard by anyone but you and your company. If you dont like what someone else is saying around you, switch tables and dont listen to it.

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"Has anyone else encountered anything like his article about swearing in their lives?"

Yes, I have. We can't swear in our posts here. I wrote the word C o c k fosters once, without the spaces, and it got edited out.

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Yeah, i realize we cant swear here, but then again, this isnt really a private conversation, not exactly. I think that we should be able to, but this is run by someone other than me, so there is a form of authority controlling the content. I control my own mouth, and only i have to answer for what comes out of it, its a little different in a public forum. CA is responsible for the content of the forums, so they can do what ever they please. I think they are very fair though, we get away with alot sometimes among these threads...

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He shouldn't have been talking loud enough for others to hear him in the first place! And especially not with a garbage mouth. IF you go out to try to have a nice dinner with your wife, mother, sister, or whatever, you shouldn't have to put up with low-class idiots cussing in the near-by tables!!

**** that ****

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i too have been in restaurant;s and diners where the people nearby were loud and obnoxious most of the time i try to ignore it rather then have a confrontation. some people just don;t know when to shut up

For one thing, i got the impression that the only reason they were heard is because of eavesdropping people, who were obviously trying to hear what they were saying.

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Based on the article they had been drinking alot. Usually people who drink alot talk loudly. If he thinks it is acceptable behavior to use that kind of language in that kind of setting he is a moron.

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Originally posted by jadawin:
For one thing, i got the impression that the only reason they were heard is because of eavesdropping people, who were obviously trying to hear what they were saying.

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I doubt anyone in public recognizes Suckling or even cares what he has to say. If he wants to curse, he should do it at a volume that can't be heard well past the people he is talking to.

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Originally posted by motorcyclenut:
Based on the article they had been drinking alot. Usually people who drink alot talk loudly. If he thinks it is acceptable behavior to use that kind of language in that kind of setting he is a moron.

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exactly. he's like school on sunday - no class

I like it when a public personallity is caught using profanity into an open microphone.

Especially self-righteous purveyors of hypocrytical morality and religious zeal.

Do you think having such a derogatory title for your thread is a good idea Einstein? This is not some high school where you get points for writing anti-school-staff graffiti on a bathroom wall. Cheeeeeez. Some people.
And I don't expect any points for saying this. Other than the box MC2 that i get twice a year.

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i didnt meant any offense by the title of this thread, i was being sarcastic, and im sorry if people took it the wrong way. I was just trying to bring up the article that he wrote because i have had the same kind of experience, and personally, i dont feel that language is offensive, i mean, we hear this kind of stuff on the Family Channel these days. I am of the mind that words are just words, and im sorry if that upsets some people. With all of the other issues in the world today, i find it very interesting that people are still hung up on language. I do agree that that kind of talk should be kept low in public because there are obvioustly people that are still upset by it, but i dont think that we should have to alter who we are just to please other people. I know when it is acceptable and not, i dont swear around my little brothers or family, because i know its not acceptable in my household, but i think that people should not be surprised to hear this language in public. Whether its right or wrong, i dont know, but its pretty clear that its going on either way and everyone is going to take their own side on the issue. Once again, i wasnt trying to offend anyone with this post, i meant the title to be very sarcastic based on his article.

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Forgive my ignorance, but who is Suckling and where might I find the article in question?

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go to the cigar aficionado home page, the article is there.

Information doesn't kill you.-Frank Zappa

Yes, you hear cursing everywhere these days. Just because something is popular it doesn't mean you should accept it. I, for one, don't want to go out to dinner (especially with kids present) and hear someone curse left and right. Racial slurs are "just words", I don't think anyone would find them acceptable to be heard over dinner at a restaurant from an adjacent table. There is a time & place for everything. Sounds to me like he's an arrogant pr-ick.

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jadawin. i don't think you offended anyone. you opened a topic and stated an opinion. now others will weigh in. that's the whole reason for these discussion boards.

do you think that suckling had on his dashing kerchief and posed on his motorcycle when he was using such salty language?

I just read it(thanks for the point jadawin0. I think Suckling is full enough of himself to be a regular poster here.
If this fellow is truly a talented writer than I'm sure he can express himself without being so crass in fine restuarant. I wonder if he feels like it's okay to hike up your leg and pass gas at the table as well?
I don't mind cursing. In fact I'm pretty good at it myself but there is a place for everything. I surely wouldn't tell some of the jokes I tell at my hunting club at my mothers house or around my wife and daughter. But I'm just a bumpkin from Georgia so don't pay me no mind.

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Just words? Words are how Hitler got the power to do what he did, words are how Jesus (or Buddha or Mohamed if you prefer) communicated his message. They may be words that you are used to, but that doesn't make them any less significant.

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I thought I’d pipe in as this might be a good chance to introduce myself without posting a stupid newbie question about cigars….

There is one question that wasn’t explicitly (pardon the pun) put forth: What is wrong with swearing? Generally speaking, there seems to be 2 camps, those who are staunchly against it, and others who moderately for AND against it. After reading the article, this is what I’ve come to:

1. When reflected on seriously, people tend to agree that swearing is a substitute for a poverty of language and makes the offender sound very ignorant.
2. People also agree that swearing adds a tone and a feeling to an idea that no other words seem qualified to do. If you believe #1, then you might think this occurs very infrequently—maybe only for comics. Being a guy who has a temper, I know that sometimes, no matter how many books I’ve read, or how many words I’ve tried to learn, when that M*****F***** cuts me off while I’m riding my motorcycle, the words (inconsiderate, highway hogging, wreckless driving, self-entitled fellow just doesn’t cut it.)

3. It’s prevalent, even among those who some (but not me) might think would stand for decency (viz. Cheney telling a Senator to F-off, or Bush calling a reporter a world-class A**H***). There has even been some recent research (although not terribly vigorous—I can’t even find the reference) that shows that most very young children know several swear words. They also know to hide it from their parents and teachers and to be just as hypocritical as their parents in denying they use it or should not use it.)
4. It seems very clear that the article described the couple as eavesdropping, which is also quite impolite. Someone earlier suggested that drinkers usually talk loud and might have easily misjudged their own volume. And yet none of the staff or other patrons complained.

Which leads me to when and why I think it is wrong to swear, namely when you stop considering that your behavior has an effect on your neighbors, many of your actions become objectionable. For example, inconsiderate drivers, students talking in class out of turn, or interrupting another’s speech, etc. It’s kinda like Bush going to war unilaterally. :P (even I didn’t see that one coming).

In all seriousness, though, in the heat of the moment, I think swearing can be forgiven. It’s hypocritical for most of us to say that we shouldn’t swear but continue to do so anyway. But if the author was being very loose with the words and his volume, than I’m thinking he should have apologized earnestly. Having said that, if he was having conversation at a normal volume, but due to the fact that the couple was eavesdropping his words were heard, then he should be indignant towards them.

Damn that's a long post...