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MYRTLE BEACH, S.C. — Barack Obama is being endorsed by fellow Sen. John Kerry, the Democrats' 2004 presidential nominee who lost to George W. Bush that year with John Edwards as his running mate and gave up his own plans for a 2008 run a year ago.

Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, planned to announce his support Thursday at a rally with Obama at the College of Charleston, arguing that the Illinois senator can best unite the country, said a Democrat familiar with the decision. Kerry was timing his announcement before South Carolina's Jan. 26 primary, a contest that has taken on extra importance for Obama after Hillary Rodham Clinton beat him in New Hampshire.

Kerry lost the South Carolina Democratic primary in 2004 to Edwards, the former North Carolina senator who now is running third in the 2008 campaign behind Clinton and Obama.

Besides any potential help for Obama, the endorsement was a slap at Edwards, Kerry's former running mate. The two had their differences during the campaign over strategy and spending, and Edwards has said he would have been more aggressive in challenging the unsubstantiated allegations of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth questioning Kerry's military record.


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That's almost as bad as having George Clooney and Sean Penn endorse you.
 
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That's almost as bad as having George Clooney and Sean Penn endorse you.


LMFAO!
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"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson

"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
 
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It's hardly a surprise ... don't forget Sen. Obama gave the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention.

I'm puzzled why you think Sen. Kerry's endorsement will be a detriment to Obama's winning the nomination.


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Not as bad as having Chuck Norris's endorsement. BTW, coincidentally, Norris can be seen in truck commercials now!
 
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Not as bad as having Chuck Norris's endorsement. BTW, coincidentally, Norris can be seen in truck commercials now!


You know Norris and Jim Belushi started a cigar company back during the boom.I believe the name of the cigar was Lone Wolf.What a dog Rocket.


"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson

"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
 
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It's hardly a surprise ... don't forget Sen. Obama gave the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention.

I'm puzzled why you think Sen. Kerry's endorsement will be a detriment to Obama's winning the nomination.


I think Obama has many hurdles in front of him.When your trying to win surround yourself with winners.If he got an endorsement from someone like Bill Clinton now that would be positive.Don't think thats gonna happen though.And in all honesty how far back would you have to go to find a Democratic president that did as much for this country as Bill Clinton did.I don't think there are any that are still alive.


"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson

"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
 
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When your trying to win surround yourself with winners.
When you're trying to win the Democratic nomination, you surround yourself with prominent Democrats, and get as many of them to endorse you as you're able. Kerry's loss in 2004 doesn't diminish his stature with other Democrats, in that respect.


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Kerry's loss in 2004 doesn't diminish his stature with other Democrats, in that respect.


That Jack is a matter of personal opinion and that does not win elections.


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-Thomas Jefferson

"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
 
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That Jack is a matter of personal opinion and that does not win elections.

Okay, Sheep. I bow to your greater insights into the political process.


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wrong thread

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Okay, Sheep. I bow to your greater insights into the political process.


See Jack now why do you always get hostile when you debate and can not come up with anything to support you're statement.Very childish indeed you made a statement based on your personal opinion not fact.You got something else you would like to add that supports you're statement i will listen.That other stuff is really not necessary now is it?


"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson

"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
 
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I think Obama has many hurdles in front of him.When your trying to win surround yourself with winners.

True, but he isn't soliciting endorsements, at least not publicly. So this can only be laid at the feet of Kerry.

Ultimately what it really says is that Kerry would rather endorse Obama than the man he picked to be his running mate four years ago. That might be enough to get some of Edwards support swung to Obama.


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True, but he isn't soliciting endorsements, at least not publicly. So this can only be laid at the feet of Kerry.


That is very true but i think the Democrats have enough to contend with already.Lets face it the Republicans are in a bad way.But that does not necessarily mean a Democrat will be a shoe in.The Democrats have to come out strong and show Americans they can lead this country.Coming out with a female candidate and an afro American candidate even in these times is controversial to say the least.Endorsements from has beens that never where are not going to help there cause IMHO.


"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson

"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
 
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Very childish indeed you made a statement based on your personal opinion not fact.

Sheep, personal opinions are what we do on this board. Nothing in your post is any more "fact" than in mine. If you want to rebut an opinion with one of your own, fine ... do that. If you want to tell me why you think my opinion is wrong, fine ... do that. But it's frustrating and more than a little irritating to have posts challenged by you solely on the basis of being opinion.

Besides, "The Pope is catholic" and "the sky is sometimes blue" are 'facts'. The statement, "...you surround yourself with prominent Democrats" is merely conventional wisdom, which lies in a vague area somewhere between opinion and fact.
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Endorsements from has beens that never where are not going to help there cause
John Kerry is still a respected United States senator and a prominent member of the Democratic party, highly regarded by his peers, Sen. Obama among them. Any of the Democratic candidates would welcome his endorsement. Losing a presidential election isn't tantamount to being a has-been, which I'm pretty sure you know. It's my opinion you made that remark simply out of your hatred for liberals, rather than a reasoned analysis of Sen. Kerry's present position in the Democratic party.


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You Democrats still have not figured out why you lost the last election.You went after all the gun owners remember another brain storm.You are all liberals except when it comes to guns.What was it Bill Maher said oh yeah "Call a Democrat a liberal and he grabs a gun puts on a orange vest and heads for the woods"You're own supporters ridicule you.And i do not hate Liberals i in fact do not hate any one or anything.Dis like is more like it leave the gun owners alone.Give a man a job instead of a handout and this country will be fine,


"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson

"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
 
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Oh ... okay, Sheep. I see how all that follows and is pertinent.

A very well-reasoned, articulate, instructive post. Thank you.


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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:
Coming out with a female candidate and an afro American candidate even in these times is controversial to say the least.


Unfortunately, you are right. But the only reason it is "controversial" is due to the ignorant conservative attitudes of people who would rather elect one of the "good old boys" than consider the actual issues, in many cases due to a lack of education and thus ability to objectively consider the actual issues.


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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:
Coming out with a female candidate and an afro American candidate even in these times is controversial to say the least.


Unfortunately, you are right. But the only reason it is "controversial" is due to the ignorant conservative attitudes of people who would rather elect one of the "good old boys" than consider the actual issues, in many cases due to a lack of education and thus ability to objectively consider the actual issues.



Sad to say, but this goes both ways. How many Obama or Clinton supporters have actually analyzed their plans to address any particular issue? I can guarantee that Obama wouldn't have half the support he has if it weren't for his being a young, attractive, generally affable guy who absolutely drips sincerity with every word. Clinton's positions on the issues of the day are more mature and well-reasoned - even if they have been focus-grouped.

Incidentally, I'm planning on voting, reluctantly, for Giuliani, so I don't have a horse in that particular race.


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As to the Kerry thing, Jack's right. He is still respected among Democrats, and the endorsement of such an experienced voice of the left certainly can't hurt.

Then again, who else could he endorse? He has widely-known differences with Edwards and he certainly wouldn't endorse Clinton, given her abandonment of him in 2004.


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