I'm sure a few here will defend her, however this is an even new low for Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi credits the very people who have been killing American Troops in Iraq with ending the violence.
At the 62-minute mark, Pelosi slandered and demeaned the hard-won successes of our armed forces in Iraq, saying "Whatever the military success and progress that may have been made, the surge didn't accomplish its goal. And some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians -- they decided in Basra when the fighting would end, they negotiated that cessation of hostilities -- the Iranians."
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." Ronald Reagan
If I may point out, your source is "Newsbusters", which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Media Research Center, an unabashedly extreme right-wing, self-described "watchdog group" dedicated to exposing and countering American liberalism. It's purpose is to "provide immediate exposure of liberal media bias ... and timely corrections to news media reporting" (italics mine). It is strident in its condemnation and derision of progressivism in America.
In actuality, Speaker Pelosi's remarks also included this sentence: "The purpose of the surge was to provide a secure space, a time for the political change to occur to accomplish the reconciliation. That didn’t happen. Whatever the military success, and progress that may have been made, the surge didn’t accomplish its goal." (Again, italics mine).
But then I'm supposing your view is that the entire mainstream U.S. media, including conservative organs like the WSJ and the NY Post, "covered it up" because they hate America.
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Originally posted by Jack White: If I may point out, your source is "Newsbusters", which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Media Research Center, an unabashedly extreme right-wing, self-described "watchdog group" dedicated to exposing and countering American liberalism. It's purpose is to "provide immediate exposure of liberal media bias ... and timely corrections to news media reporting" (italics mine). It is strident in its condemnation and derision of progressivism in America.
In actuality, Speaker Pelosi's remarks also included this sentence: "The purpose of the surge was to provide a secure space, a time for the political change to occur to accomplish the reconciliation. That didn’t happen. Whatever the military success, and progress that may have been made, the surge didn’t accomplish its goal." (Again, italics mine).
But then I'm supposing your view is that the entire mainstream U.S. media, including conservative organs like the WSJ and the NY Post, "covered it up" because they hate America.
Does that change the fact that she said the following..."some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians"? I don't think it does at all. The Iranians are killing our men, Jack. Sorry, but to call anything they do "goodwill" is almost treason. You should be ashamed at the lengths you will go to stick up for liberals.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." Ronald Reagan
Originally posted by A Work Of Art, Inc.: Do us all a favor Parsley, give your Right Wing Twisted Spin on the truth a rest. Sometimes it's funny, but now you're embarrassing yourself.
Why don't you add to the actual conversation instead of making dumb comment? Oh yeah, I forgot, you don't know how.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free." Ronald Reagan
Originally posted by Presley: Does that change the fact that she said the following..."some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians"? I don't think it does at all. The Iranians are killing our men, Jack.
I have to agree with Presley. How can you possibly justify her remarks?
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That single sentence was lifted out of a much longer context in which Speaker Pelosi specifically (and only) referred to the Iraqi assault on Basra, in which the Iranians did indeed play the major role in the withdrawal of al-Sadr's Mahdi Army (which Iran called "outlaws"). Iran's purpose in undermining al-Sadr may well be -- is probably -- self-serving and reflective of power shifts among the Shiites, but this was the context of Pelosi's remarks. And in my view, she wasn't wrong. And most certainly not "almost traitorous".
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Originally posted by A Work Of Art, Inc.: Do us all a favor Parsley, give your Right Wing Twisted Spin on the truth a rest. Sometimes it's funny, but now you're embarrassing yourself.
Parsley's great at finding sources that take a story and spin it by selecting comments and reproducing them out of context, isn't he?
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Presley, With all due respect.. no need to label your political posts any longer. To be more efficient, why don't you just label your NON-political posts since they are so much more infrequent. Although most posts are interesting, the sheer volume makes me wonder about you and I think you are diluting your standing and credibility.
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If I may point out, your source is "Newsbusters", which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Media Research Center, an unabashedly extreme right-wing, self-described "watchdog group" dedicated to exposing and countering American liberalism. It's purpose is to "provide immediate exposure of liberal media bias ... and timely corrections to news media reporting" (italics mine). It is strident in its condemnation and derision of progressivism in America.
Presley copies and pastes total PROPAGANDA from exttreme right wing websites and then pretends these are things he came up with himself. And all his posts are exactly the same, a long diatribe against somebody or some group followed by a few sentences of Presley going "Tsk, Tsk, Tsk! Can you guys BELIEVE that! Oh my god, these Libs are TERRIBLE! Treasonous! Blah! Blah! And Blah!" I read his posts and I wonder WHAT IS HIS POINT? Is he trying to CONVERT those of us who don't agree with him or what? And I also wonder WHY HE HATES AMERICA SO MUCH. America is a DIVERSE country with people who don't LOOK LIKE YOU, talk like you, go to church like you do, have sex like you do, and most of all there are lots of Americans who don't BELIEVE what you do., Presley. Don't hate them, Presley.
Iran's Quds force has armed and trained JAM members to take Basra (which they failed). They are now harboring & training JAM in Iran.
Well, JAM is no longer in Basra, as I write this. It's hard to imagine them now being trained and harbored by the Iranian Republican Guard, after Iran publicly labeled them criminals and threw them under the bus, but whadda I know? I'm too tired at the moment to research your information, which I'm sure was given in good faith.
But I stand by my contention that contrary to the thrust of this thread in the beginning, Speaker Pelosi has been given a bad rap by the neo-con websites and blogs about her remarks (though I do think perhaps they could have been better phrased).
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Originally posted by Jack White: JAM is no longer in Basra, as I write this.
Yeah, I know. That's why I wrote that they failed.
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It's hard to imagine them now being trained and harbored by the Iranian Republican Guard, after Iran publicly labeled them criminals and threw them under the bus, but whadda I know?
This is from Ambassador Crocker's testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on 4/8/08. He doesn't specifically mention JAM, but does mention "militia elements".
"Iran continues to undermine the efforts of the Iraqi government to establish a stable, secure state through the authority and training of criminal militia elements engaged in violence against Iraqi security forces, coalition forces and Iraqi civilians. The extent of Iran’s malign influence was dramatically demonstrated when militia elements armed and trained by Iran clashed with Iraqi government forces in Basrah and Baghdad. When the President announced the Surge, he pledged to seek out and destroy Iranian-supported lethal networks inside Iraq. We know more about these networks and their Quds Force sponsors than ever before – and we will continue to aggressively uproot and destroy them."
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Yeah, I know. That's why I wrote that they failed.
Well, they were sure in Basra in pretty strong force until six weeks or so ago.
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Originally posted by dstokely: Lucky why are you the Cabron of Cairo? you don't even live in Cairo, shouldn't you be the Cabron of Alexandria?
Tell that to Presley, he's the one who named me. But to be honest, the cabron of Cairo sounds cooler than the cabron of Alexandria. It's all home anyway, doesn't matter.
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