Granted, it's incredible that she survived. But this really wouldn't affect my belief in god, why would he save this woman and let many other people die at younger ages.. people who have alot to give. Personally i believe death is purely a mixture of science and chance, she was lucky. _______________________________________________
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This isn't the first time that someone has been revived. Being clinically dead does not imply that you can't be brought back. I personally know someone who was brought back after drowning.
In more general terms, I don't believe "God" is responsible for every event that seems rare or is difficult to understand in the context of the status quo.
Now, were she was dead and buried for 20 years and managed to come back to life, dig herself out of her grave and walk amongst us, then I would consider an act of God as a possible explanation.
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15 -20 minutes of no oxygen to the brain and no signs of brain damage .No brain wave activity for almost 18 hrs.They were getting ready to donate her organs and she wakes up.If you don't believe in God now well quite frankly i don't think you ever will.
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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY: They were getting ready to donate her organs and she wakes up.If you don't believe in God now well quite frankly i don't think you ever will.
Why are extremely rare events that are perceived to be fortunate attributed to God, while extremely rare events that are perceived to be unfortunate are not?
As Toon_Ton points out, many people die at young ages, for no apparent reason. Should those events serve as impetus for a belief in God as well? Why or why not?
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At Lourdes there is a shrine where "cured" pilgrims leave their discarded crutches, wheelchairs etc. A skeptic once remarked "Very impressive, but where are all the artificial limbs?"
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Sheepshead Bay thanks for the video! Some of the members here know that I am involved with ministry with my post a few months ago. But what I have to say on trying to convince people to believe in God is that we can't do it. It in the end is a choice that must be made by each and every individual person, showing them statistics normally doesn't help, especially for those who are hardened to not believe that God exists. I contribute everything that happens to God, and I know some people will say why then would God allow evil to exit, to allow suffering, to allow things like the cyclone in myanmar and the earth quake in China to happen. The answer is complicated and there are several explanations, but they are just guesses on different route that God could've taken based on our knowledge of Him, which is very limited because our inteliigence simply cannot be compared to an all knowing being. We know the stuff that we need to know and that is enough, I know Him personally, though I don't comprehend Him well at times, I know He loves me, though I take it for granted, I know that He is there, though I cannot see Him, I know He makes the right and the best decisions for us, though I cannot understand why things happen. But having faith means that I am humbled before Him and I know that I know nothing so I am not going to argue intelligence and decision making against a being who I believe created the universe, it'll be stupid. My goal is to simply show every person, or try my best (because I am no better than anyone and screws up as much as the next person)to show every person the love and grace that I've received from God. It's hard to not condemn others but I am in no position to do so. In the end, if God respects every person enough to allow him or her to have a choice in believing in Him or not then who am I to force my beliefs down their throats? My only job is to tell them everything I know about God and live as He lived on earth.
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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY: They were getting ready to donate her organs and she wakes up.If you don't believe in God now well quite frankly i don't think you ever will.
Why are extremely rare events that are perceived to be fortunate attributed to God, while extremely rare events that are perceived to be unfortunate are not?
As Toon_Ton points out, many people die at young ages, for no apparent reason. Should those events serve as impetus for a belief in God as well? Why or why not?
Just in reference to the "why aren't unfortunate events attributed to God" question...do you remember Hurrican Katrina? MANY people, including an overwhelming majority of religious people were attributing that to God's response to society trying to push God out of every aspect of it...just throwing that out there, fyi
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Originally posted by SamuraiJack: Who says the human body isn't a miracle?
Touche!
This story reminds me of a tour I took of an old 1800's cemetery in San Diego that was built with pipes that went underground into the caskets so that if someone was buried alive they could breath/yell out of the pipe and be dug up.
Even when we think we have the human body to a tee, it goes and surprises us again. Whether you believe in God or not, you have to admit that this is quite incredible.
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This story reminds me of a tour I took of an old 1800's cemetery in San Diego that was built with pipes that went underground into the caskets so that if someone was buried alive they could breath/yell out of the pipe and be dug up.
The embalming process probably covers that risk, unless of course you're Chuck Norris!
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