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quote: But he's not and his pastor isn't. So you were the first to post about it. Who started the thread?
Whats the difference Jack? Obama Oshama Has about as much of a chance of winning a presidential election.As the Patriots had at winning the Super Bowl.Face it Jack when it comes to choosing losers you are batting 1000.
"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
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"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson
"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
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| Posts: 3715 | Location: Reggio di Calabria, Italy / New York United States | Registered: July 12, 2007 | |
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quote: Face it Jack when it comes to choosing losers you are batting 1000.
Really, really good, skippy. Make the issue personal, make it all about me, make it about the Patriots. You know, other than maybe your hero Presley, you've always offered the absolute least amount of substance in your posts than anyone else here. Whenever you find yourself, as you usually do, unable to counter someone's point, it makes you just so spitting mad that you turn the issue under discussion into a malicious, personal one, with non-sequitor after ungrammatical non-sequitor. I remember recently, you once got so frustrated and mad when you couldn't answer someone's point, you trashed the entire nation he lived in, fercrissakes. And you call me a loser. Look, just go back to the kiddie table, skip, where you might have a better chance of understanding the conversation. You're nowhere near ready to join the grownups.
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Looking back over this thread, and over press coverage, where did this story come from ? I smell the hand of the Clinton Campaign. Her former Campaign Manager worked for the Hon Richard Daley Jr, so tghe pastor was well known in Chicago circles. It is in the Clinton Campaign's best interest to make Sen. Obama a more "black" candidate and scare off centerist white voters and the Reagan democrats. I believe if Sen Clinton is not the nominee she will be lukedwarm in her support of Sen Obama and will wait in the wings until 2012 to be the "see I told you so" candidate. I think an Obama/McCain contest will be the first one in a long time to be fought on true policy differences because neither can or wants to attack the other personally.
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quote: Whenever you find yourself, as you usually do, unable to counter someone's
The irony of it i am still waiting for you to answer the "Name one of obama's accomplishments post".Boy talk about dodging the question.Your problem Jack is you are a typical liberal you project your shortcomings on others.The last quote in my signature fits you like a glove Jack.Ahhhhhhhh you wear it well my friend!
"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson
"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
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| Posts: 3715 | Location: Reggio di Calabria, Italy / New York United States | Registered: July 12, 2007 | |
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quote: The irony of it i am still waiting for you to answer the "Name one of obama's accomplishments post".Boy talk about dodging the question.
Ha! Don't presume to set my agenda for the threads I'll be involved in, little skippy. I'll address questions I want to address, and those I don't, I won't. That decision is largely based on how I perceive the agenda of the person starting the thread. quote: Your problem Jack is you are a typical liberal you project your shortcomings on others.
Uh-huh. I have many problems, but that's not one of them, I don't think. Give me some examples that illustrate your point on 'projecting shortcomings', both for me and for some "typical liberals". quote: The last quote in my signature fits you like a glove Jack
Yes, a very witty quote by Reagan that Ben Elliott wrote for him. In the same vein, here's one that applies perfectly to you: "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill
'Question authority. Think for yourself. Filter out the spin. Engage elected officials critically. Make them defend what they're doing in your name. Derive the truth. Speak truth to power.'
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quote: I think an Obama/McCain contest will be the first one in a long time to be fought on true policy differences because neither can or wants to attack the other personally.
Jeez, Saxon, that sure hasn't been the case so far. They each have been pretty ready and willing to attack the other, it seems to me.
'Question authority. Think for yourself. Filter out the spin. Engage elected officials critically. Make them defend what they're doing in your name. Derive the truth. Speak truth to power.'
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quote: Don't presume to set my agenda for the threads I'll be involved in,
Huh there's a laugh your agenda. You my friend are a rabble rouser. A monkey wrench in the works and nothing more. A bored pathetic liberal minded fool.And i my friend are neither a Liberal nor a Conservative.I never swing far to the left nor the right. Us Italians have a saying i will translate in English. "Feeling bored shoot yourself in the ass so you may die dancing". You will never get to me Jack i could care less about you or your backward thinking.
"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson
"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
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| Posts: 3715 | Location: Reggio di Calabria, Italy / New York United States | Registered: July 12, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Jack White: quote: Vietnam was started by President Kennedy, no?
A misreading of history, but whatever. I don't care if the war was started by JFK or Ho Chi Minh or the Rev. Billy Graham or Mickey Mantle. The efforts of our movement ended it. Sorry Jack, but I don't believe a bunch of hippies single-handedly ended the war.By the way, today is the 40th anniversary of My Lai. quote: Sorry Jack, dissention in and of itself is not patriotic.
Because ... ? Oh, please, is that the best you can say? Because...?quote: I highly doubt facing the enemies we do now, that Thomas Jefferson would think it patriotic to call Gen. Petreaus-Betrayus or to blow up recruiting stations.
Moveon.org was way out of line in that, and I've said so here before. But that aside, dissent doesn't consist of single complaints, of isolated remarks like that -- back in my day, it was a systematic and cumulative coming together of like-minded people in a coordinated movement aimed at pressuring the powers that be into reversing wrong policies. As for blowing up recruiting stations, you're making what's probably an incorrect assumption that this was part of any progressive movement, as opposed to an isolated, stupid single act. Breaking the law in a act of civil disobedience is one thing, a dangerous, violent and potentially deadly act like that is totally another. quote: Bill Clinton perjured himself and lied to the American people. I will debate this because a lie is a lie Jack.
Clinton lied about having sex with Monica in the White House. He was impeached and quickly acquitted. Nixon used the office of the presidency to plan and finance a burglary of an office to gain political advantage, sat in the Oval Office while conspiring to create a plan to cover it up and to fund payoffs and is recorded on audio tape in the act of doing so, ordered evidence destroyed, and lied, lied, lied to Congress and to us about it. Fact is, other audio tapes that came to light in 1996 reveal that he demanded his assistants do something similar a year before Watergate. Nixon: "Break into the place, rifle the files, and bring them out....I want a break-in. I want the Brookings safe cleaned out. And have it cleaned out in a way that makes somebody else look bad." Nixon: "You go in to inspect...and clean it out....I want Brookings, just break in, break in, and take it out. You understand." Haldeman: "I don't have any problem with breaking in." You really want to compare this to Clinton's wrongdoing? Bill Clinton was never "aquitted", secondly, he and his wife did so much shady stuff that it doesn't take tape recordings to reveal them. Whitewater? Vince Foster? Paula Jones? Arkansas State Troopers? quote: If Obama was a republican, and his pastor was a part of the KKK, you'd have been the first to post about it.
But he's not and his pastor isn't. So you were the first to post about it. Who started the thread? Presley to kettle: My God, you're so black!
Pretty mature...
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
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quote: You will never get to me Jack i could care less about you or your backward thinking.
Uh-huh. It's pretty clear that I did, and you do. The only people who take the trouble to say they don't care what people think of them, really do care very much. quote: And i my friend are neither a Liberal nor a Conservative.I never swing far to the left nor the right.
And that, little skippy, is a flat out lie. That, or delusion, or lack of self-examination.
'Question authority. Think for yourself. Filter out the spin. Engage elected officials critically. Make them defend what they're doing in your name. Derive the truth. Speak truth to power.'
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You really do have a lot of anger issues. Besides losing the super bowl and picking candidates that do not have a chance in hell of wining a presidential election. Whats really eating you Jack?I have never seen you this hostile before very judgmental and argumentative.I mean arrogance way always your forte but this is totally different.I am concerned because i noticed in your posted pictures you like to go climbing.I hope you don't decide to go climbing after another republican wins the election.In your depressed state you might decide to jump off the mountain. I only mention this out of genuine concern for your well being.There is plenty of help out there all you have to do is ask.
"Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God"
-Thomas Jefferson
"The tree of freedom must be nurtured from time to time with the blood of its patriots"
-Thomas Jefferson
"When the Government Fears the People, There is Liberty; When the People Fear the Government, There is Tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
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| Posts: 3715 | Location: Reggio di Calabria, Italy / New York United States | Registered: July 12, 2007 | |
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Jack, Maybe its early but the tone of Sen McCain and Sen Obama seem much more issue and political philosophy oriented. Of course last time Pres Bush did not plan the swiftboating personally so maybe I spoke too soon.(I think Gov Huckabee was a gentleman in his concession.) It just seems like the democratic primary is dirtier and the Clintons have been linked to the race card, or at least theiur supporters are the ones saying those things. Maybe I am just a paranoid conspiracy theorist but I see the style of Carville in the sayings of Sen Clintons supporters. I am a conservative Republican but I think Sen Obama has run a positive and upbeat campaign. He says what he will do and how he has the better plan, not what a terrible person or how the other party will wreck and ruin.
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quote: Maybe its early but the tone of Sen McCain and Sen Obama seem much more issue and political philosophy oriented.
Oops. Saxon, I read your post too quickly and not carefully enough ... my fault. I responded as though you were talking about Obama and Clinton, not McCain. My remarks referred to the Obama-Clinton battle for the nomination, and in that, I was in error. My bad.
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quote: Originally posted by Jack White:
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill
Near as I can tell, Mill hasn't been proven wrong yet.
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so here we go again another racisit black man hiding behind the cloth, lets see we have jessie hymie town jackson. there is calvin go to hell white man butts. lets not forget the biggest bum of them all al sharpton. and of course the bum who is always with him his lawyer. and of course nor far away are all the liberals getting in line to listen to the spew their nonsense. god bless america  |
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Al Sharpton was on Fox this morning and really p*ssed me off. When confronted about Obama's pastor, his statement went along the lines of "Well, you must take his statements in the context of his lifes work". Well, what about Don Imus? Did Rev Sharpton take his comments in context of his lifes work, aiding kids with cancer and so on? What a racist bigot. It really does go on to support what I believe, that is that there are far more racists and bigots on the left side of the aisle than the right. Rev Sharpton is just as much a bigot as Senator Obama's pastor.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
Ronald Reagan
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quote: Originally posted by Presley:
It really does go on to support what I believe, that is that there are far more racists and bigots on the left side of the aisle than the right. Rev Sharpton is just as much a bigot as Senator Obama's pastor.
I don't know if you can say that. More like there are more on the left that are allowed to voice racist remarks without major public backlash. Al Sharpton is a nutcase bigot. Always has been, always will be. I don't think anyone takes him seriously. |
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quote: Originally posted by Jack White:
Unless Sen. Obama is outright lying, he had never personally heard statements like that from Trinity's pulpit or in any private conversation with the pastor. If that turns out not to be true, I'll be surprised and disappointed.
Okay Jack, so Senator Obama finally admitted in his speech yesterday that he had heard the Rev. Wright's remarks and was aware of them So, basically, according to you above, Senator Obama has been caught in a lie. First he stated that he knew of no such sermons, then he stated that he hadn't heard them. Now, he admits to hearing them. This debacle has shown Senator Obama to be just what we all knew he was, a typical, lying politician. Also, it was apparent during his speech yesterday that he was also going to start injecting race into the campaign, claiming he is being forced to do so. Sadly, he even threw his own grandmother under the bus, accusing her of using racial slurs and such. Rather than Senator Obama seeing his own success story as a product of a radically changed America of the last 40 years, he instead chooses to see that he achieved success despite America, still refusing to disavow his pastor. Do you hear that sucking sound? That's the white vote leaving his campaign and probably the dems chance at taking the Whitehouse. By the time of the convention the two remaining dems will be so badly weathered that I doubt either of them will have a real shot in the general election. Particulary with Judicial Watch's victory in getting Senator Clinton's Whitehouse papers released today. Perhaps this reveals the typical naivete of a lot of liberal democrats to take these people at face-value. Senator Obama is a typical politician that will say anything to get elected. This is also why many people are fairly confident that Senator McCain will win. Though it is not a certainty, he definately out-classes both of these people. Can't the dems ever have an authentic candidate run for the Presidency?
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
Ronald Reagan
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