I would like to hear from you Canadians about the failed terrorist attempt in your country.

It is my understanding that y'all have welcomed people of Islam to come to your country and y'all openly condemed the United States about our war in Iraq. You are an Islam friendly nation yet now a target of the Islamic extremeist terrorist.

My question is, does this change your mind on Islamic imagration to your country? Doest this change your mind on our war on Terror in Iraq?

I would like to hear your opinion. This is not a set up to be fired on question, but just a curious question on my part.

Canadians only please respond.

First- this is my $.02 and does not represent the views of the whole.

The few don't represent the whole. I feel it's unfortunate it almost happened, but know it likely will happen soon.
You can't condemn a whole religion/race for the actions of a few.
(I'm Irish Canadian, FWIW)

I'm an atheist. There are no gods. No one is listening to prayers. There is no after life. When we're dead we're dead. We each have one life to live.

Praying & singing in sacred buildings once a week is time consuming enough. Doing it five times a day is a big waste of time.


Thinking that the laws of a god are superior to the laws of man is a big fcking problem in this world today.

Thinking that one is on a god's mission is absolutely ridiculous and belongs to an era 5000 years ago.

You know QM it seems there is not alot of talk about how many people are killed in the name of religon every day of our lives and not only by Islam. Do a search for Penn Jillette "There is no god" very profound..

the investigation

BTW. If it were up to me I would send them to Guantanamo Bay. The weather is nice, the accomodations seem fine, lots of time to pray and the hosts would love to have a chat with them.

To begin I must address your spelling and grammar. Needs improvement. To address your views. Needs improvement as well. If I may point out to you the fact that we did not condem the United States. We questioned and disagreed with a political policy that involved the possible deaths of many innocent lives without caring what nationality or religion they may be. You call us Islam friendly and think they are turning on us. May I point out to you as well that we are United States friendly. When 9/11 occured we allowed and welcomed as many of your planes and people as we could. We fes and took care of them. Our boys are over there dying alongside your boys. Some of your boys actually shot some of our boys in a friendly fire mishap. We sent people to New York to assistafter 9/11. When Katrina struck. We helped. You put tarriffs on our products and then lose countless court cases in our favour and then honor the deal you signed with us. You turned your back on us when a medical emergancy developed recently with the SARS incident in Toronto. You turned your back on us during the mad cow affair out west. "This is not a set up to be fired answer", just a statement to say it is truly nice to have you as a neighbour and a friend. Y'all have a nice day.

unknown,

First, welcme to the CA Forum.

Thanks for the english lesson. When I get is a hurry I my spelling and grammar suffers. To add to that my computer is a well traveled notebook computer and some keys I must tap harder than others and if I dont take the time to proof read it adds to the spelling you addressed.

Since I served in both Iraq and Afghanistan I know your country is serving in Afghanistan but not Iraq. I would expect your government to be in Afghanistan since Canada had citizens killed in the 911 attack.

Islam friendly, yes your country has an imagration policy that makes it easer for people from other countries to visit and become a citizen in Canada.

I do not care much for your government, however I earned my Canadian Paratrooper wings when I was an Arctic Paratrooper in Alaska and worked with some of your Airborne units. I made many Canadian friends during that time.

This thread really had nothing to do with the trade agreements and tarriffs between our countries. I have never really looked at trade between our countries and must say I know very little about that subject. This thread had to do with the foiled terrorist attack on your country.

Many people in the United States are divided on our involvement in Iraq. During my deployment in Iraq I did notice that the Islamic terrorists we are fighting there are members of the same terrorist organization that were involved in the terrorist attack on 9/11. Canada who is our neighbor and friends across our northern border failed to support our going into Iraq. That is your right, and unlike the UK and Australia, the Canadian Government instead chose to condem us.

LOL, I am from Alabama and your the first Canadian I have ever seen say/type the word y'all. You must be from southern Canada......

it seems that some actually fight terrorisme succesfully. I think they did the job very well.

now lock them up and throw away the key.

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Originally posted by Raven35031:
...yes your country has an imagration policy that makes it easer for people from other countries to visit and become a citizen in Canada...

So put 10 million troops at the Canadian border.

The only thing I care about his how long the lines are at the airports and road crossings when I am travelling.

Just look at yourself Raven. You are stating that Canada is a threat to the USA. Don't you feel ridiculous saying that?

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Originally posted by QM:
The only thing I care about his how long the lines are at the airports and road crossings when I am travelling.

Just look at yourself Raven. You are stating that Canada is a threat to the USA. Don't you feel ridiculous saying that?

So forget everyone else - your time is more important than security. Kind of a selfish statement, no?

I never saw Raven saying that Canada is a threat. Maybe I missed it...

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Originally posted by m_a_b:So forget everyone else - your time is more important than security. Kind of a selfish statement, no?

I never saw Raven saying that Canada is a threat. Maybe I missed it...

I'm for the smooth flow of goods & people through legal points of entry.

As for Canada being perceived as threat. Raven is not the first, last nor most well known person to have insinuated that.

Raven,

Good question. Was wondering how this would be perceived and commented on by "the board".

Firstly not all Canadians "condemned" the war on Iraq although I personally have trouble believing the motive or communications from the US federal gov't about it. Many Canadians supported (and some still do) the invasion. Sorry to nit pick but that is an important point.

Secondly, we are an "Islamic friendly nation"?
And an American friendly nation. South American, Baltic States, Euro -friendly certainly Jewish friendly since there are way more Jews than Muslims in Canada. BTW, we are a target because we are a western "American friendly" country.

To your question. Fortunately (for all concerned) most people understand that these extremists represents a pretty small percentage of the muslim population (both here in Canada and throughout the world). I suspect that it will have a very significant impact on arab and/or muslim potential immigrants and their efforts to come to Canada. That is probably a good thing. We should be diligent when others in this world are trying to harm us (or you, through our borders). I don't believe that we should or will start denying entry to muslims entirely though.

This does not change my mind personally about the invasion of Iraq. These extremists should be dealt with very severely (I think they are evil, misguided and probably delusional) but their actions alone cannot change my mind about Iraq.

If we tar everyone with the same extremist brush what conclusion would we draw from Timothy McVeigh?

Change that initial comment; Great question Raven.

QM,

LOL What troops? The troops that have that type of mission are either in Iraq, Afghanistan, on the Mexican border, or like the Army National Guardin my state are gearing up for another bad hurricane season.

I dont believe haveing troops on the Mexican or the Canadian border is the answer. Also Canada's imagration laws are up to y'all. I have stated before that if I was a terrorist and wanted to enter the United States I would not wast my time with the southern border. Its easer to enter Canada than it would be to enter Mexico and it is far easer to enter the United States along the vast northern border. I would use the northern border with Canada since it is closer to major cities and to Washington DC.


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Just look at yourself Raven. You are stating that Canada is a threat to the USA. Don't you feel ridiculous saying that?[/QUOTE]



I never said Canada was a threat to the United States. I do believe the Imagration laws of Canada and the vastness of the border between our countries is a possable threat to our national security. Canadian Government and the Canadian citizens are not a threat to the United States. I do not blame Canada in any way.

Smokingsteve,

My use of the phrase "Islamic friendly nation" came from what I have heard from the news media. It was ment by me not as a slam on Canada or Islam. It was intended as a description of the Canadian imagration laws and the fact the Canadian Government chose not to get involved with us in Iraq and even condemed us for going into Iraq. Canada welcomes people of all religions and from all over the world.


Thanks for pointing out that some Canadians support our war in Iraq. On this point there is little difference between the citizens of the US and the citizens of Canada. My statement was about the Canadian Government. My questions were directed at Canadian citizens. To be honest I was suprized that Islamic Terrorists would target the Canadian Government since there are many other Governments that openly support the US going into Iraq.

Raven,

Thanks for the response. I did not (as you know) support the war in Iraq. I am firm in my opinion that time will show that some of "facts" used to justify the invasion were (at the very least) stretched. And I know it sounds insulting (and it is not meant to be - I swear it) but I truly believe the public was mislead on pre-war intelligence. That's my opinion and its no more likely to change than those who fully supported the war.

Believeing that, you can understand why I fully supported the Canadian government's decision not to support the invasion. Had our present government been in power then we certainly would have been involved!

Our immigration laws are suspect, to be honest and I do worry about our borders being a gateway for terrorists but having traveled a great deal to the US, they have tightened up considerably since 9/11.

Anyways, nice to have a reasonable intelligent dialogue on a nasty subject.

Going out to have a Rocky Patel supported with a Oban on the rocks.

Raven

Sure its a long border.
Unless you have a special permit; walking across, driving or sailing across without informing a customs agent can get you a big fine and and/or jail or even prison time.

I've heard of one case where a USA citizen came to Montreal and absolutely wanted to go skiing in Vermont. He rented a car and drove through a closed check point without stopping. The state police dragged him out of motel room near Jay Peak a few hours later.

At a Maine / Quebec border town (maybe it was NH) the Canadians used to gas up at a USA side filling station without desclaring themselves entering for this 5 minutes. After 9-11 the rules hardened. Now everyone knows themselves in small insignificant villages like this. You guessed it. They arrested one of the Canadians for gasing up and not declaring. I also surmise that they did not like his face because it took him six months before getting released.

I'm not from Canada but I did buy taxed Cuban cigars from Canada once [...ONCE!] and I feel I have a financial stake in the country...

QM:

"I'm for the smooth flow of goods & people through legal points of entry."

Me too. Balancing that with security is the ultimate challenge.

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Originally posted by Cigoz:
I did buy taxed Cuban cigars from Canada...and I feel I have a financial stake in the country...

$50 for a Cohiba. That's almost a barrel of crude oil

I think Canada is a dire threat to this country. Just think of all the bad stuff that has come out of Canada - cold fronts, hockey, Neil Young, that pr*ck who roomed with me in college .... I could go on and on.

quote:

Originally posted by QM:
I'm an atheist. There are no gods. No one is listening to prayers. There is no after life. When we're dead we're dead. We each have one life to live.

Praying & singing in sacred buildings once a week is time consuming enough. Doing it five times a day is a big waste of time.


Thinking that the laws of a god are superior to the laws of man is a big fcking problem in this world today.

Thinking that one is on a god's mission is absolutely ridiculous and belongs to an era 5000 years ago.

That's God with a capital G.