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quote: Originally posted by Cigar45:
OMR,
You are just weird. Your facts aren't even correct. NBF started the KKK to stop the carpetbaggers from the north from raiding the newly poor of the south after the war. He was so successful, in 1869 the Klan was disbanded. It was started up again, some years later, by others with a racist bent.
Try learning your history before you open your pie hole and start dissing a class of people (southerners).
I agree my friend... However with several of the more liberal folks here you cant confuse the issue with the facts. Once they get it in their head that its politically incorrect then its like a witch hunt. LOL
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| Posts: 3835 | Location: Blountsville, Alabama | Registered: August 09, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Cigar45:
OMR,
You are just weird. Your facts aren't even correct. NBF started the KKK to stop the carpetbaggers from the north from raiding the newly poor of the south after the war. He was so successful, in 1869 the Klan was disbanded. It was started up again, some years later, by others with a racist bent.
Try learning your history before you open your pie hole and start dissing a class of people (southerners).
Are you serious? You are correct that the KKK was disbanded, but it was not in 1869 but rather during the 1870's after President Grant's Civil Rights Act of 1871. Now, I'm not sure what kind of propaganda you've been reading, but the original KKK (although possibly founded on noble intentions) quickly degenerated into a racist group of lawless thugs. That's why the US government had to step in and disband them. Or maybe it was all a conspiracy... yeah, and maybe Grant hung all of those freed slaves... yeah! |
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quote: Originally posted by punched:
Wonder who hung all those free slaves in NY, pre & post Cival War?
Good point!! Like the draft riots in NYC during the Civil War.
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| Posts: 3835 | Location: Blountsville, Alabama | Registered: August 09, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by punched:
Wonder who hung all those free slaves in NY, pre & post Cival War?
Is that suppose to be a rebuttal? My statement was directed at the notion that the original KKK was not racist. I've never stated that any of the 50 states are innocent when it comes to racial injustices. |
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| Posts: 248 | Location: Houston, TX | Registered: June 28, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by kdhoffma: quote: Originally posted by punched:
Wonder who hung all those free slaves in NY, pre & post Cival War?
Is that suppose to be a rebuttal? My statement was directed at the notion that the original KKK was not racist. I've never stated that any of the 50 states are innocent when it comes to racial injustices.
How many times do we have to tell you this?
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| Posts: 3835 | Location: Blountsville, Alabama | Registered: August 09, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by punched:
The original KKK was not racist. It did however evolve into a racist organization. Rebuttal...???I don't know it just seemed appropriate at the time to point out that the KKK does not have the market cornered on racial hatred & hate crimes. You did say ALL of those hangings.
I apologize for the ambiguity, I was refering to those hangings historically credited to the original KKK. |
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| Posts: 248 | Location: Houston, TX | Registered: June 28, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Omipotens Maximus Rex:
I have a deep seeded loathing for the Confederacy. The Confederacy came really closed to destroying America. If the Confederacy had been victorious, America would be a very different place.
I'll give the traitors a break on their actions before and during the Civil War as misguided as they were, Southerners felt they had a right to become a new nation. It's what happened AFTER THE WAR is what I have a problem with.
The racial problems that we have today in America stem directly from white people interfering and denying blacks to intergrate and assimilate into society. The same people that instituted segregation, were the same people who proudly fought on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War.
Which brings us to the issue at hand. Back during the 2000 election, I was listening to Hannity and he was b*tching about how Al Gore was in support of the Stars and Bars being removed from the Capitol Grounds in South Carolina. Then Hannity asks why then Vice President Gore hasn't talked much about Nathan Bedford Forrest and the state park that's named after him in Gore's home state of Tennessee.
Nathan Bedford Forrest is regarded as one of the best generals of the Civil War, and as with Gen. Sherman would be by today's standards be regarded as a war criminal, but it's his actions after the war, that's troubling. He founded a fraternal organization that would later become what is known as the Klu Klux Klan.
One day I was in a bar, and I started to order some Jack Daniels. I really like Jack Daniels and for the longest, I've wanted to try Gentleman Jack, but I personally couldn't bring myself to purcahse a product that's manufactured in a state that regards the founder of an organization that's terrorized, disenfranchised, raped, and murder tens of thousands of people as some kind of hero. And organization that to this day still preaches hatred and discrimination.
I was reading a recent issue of CA and the article I was reading was about father and son teams in the cigar industry. I was going along in the article when I get got to the part when I read that CAO is headquarted, I think it was Nashville. The wind went out of my sails. To say I was severely disappointed was an understatement. The Brazilias from CAO are one of my two favorite smokes. A box of Brazilias were probably going to be the first box of cigars that I was going to buy when I eventually got a humidor.
To have all through the Southern United States these momunments to racist,slave holding traitors is disturbing enough as it is. but if people want to hold in high esteem their rebellous ancestors and elevate them to the level of demi-gods, go right head, but to justify that Nathan Forrest has a right to be in the Confederacy Pantheon, and to be honored with busts in the Tennesse Statehouse, statues, and a state park is not only absurd, but offensive. You can't call yourself a supporter of equal rights, yet feel the a man such as this should be honored. If the founder of the Nazi party was honored in such a fashion, this wouldn't even be an issue. That particular state or city would be boycotted into bankruptcy court.
In the end, I have to give up one of my two favorite cigars. I can't conciously support a company that's headquartered in a state that feels that the founder of the most imfamous racist group in America is a hero. Or am I being only sensitive?
P.S. To all you Confederacy sympathizers. Don't re-fight the Civil War and don't point to other instances of injustice. You don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
LOL! You certainly are a long winded fellow. Maybe a visit from a couple of the boys down here with the white hoods could help convince you otherwise...lol. Send me your addie and I'll see what I can do  Tab |
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OMR, Any problem with any other Southern state? How about anyother guys, problem with the South?
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3. Sorry...No "Free Lunch". If you get one, someone is going to pay for it...
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The one ethnic group that has really been shafted in the country are Native Americans. When Hernando DeSoto the first European to explore the Southeast came through he massicured thousands of Native Americans and brough with him diseases that killed perhaps millions of Native Americans. However atleast here in Alabama we have a State Park named after him and several monuments along the rout he took. President Andrew Jackson made a name for himself prior to becoming President fighting the Creek Indians here in Alabama. He made and later broke treaties with other Native American tribes in Alabama and the Southeast. He later bannished all Native Americans living in the Southeast to Oklahoma, their rout to Oklamoma is called the trail of tears. However we like many states have a county named after him and history has been kind to him, making him a hero. I am sure there are many other examples of American heros that have a dark side to them by some group or another. I guess when the political correctness crowd finaly gets their way banning the Confederate flag and removing General Forrest monuments and renaming state parks named after him they will focus on someone else. This will be a never ending assault on our history and culture here in the Southeast.
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| Posts: 3835 | Location: Blountsville, Alabama | Registered: August 09, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Bones:
OMR,
Any problem with any other Southern state? How about anyother guys, problem with the South?
No. Actually I like Southerners, especially Southern women. Other than this ideal that died in Virginia of April, 1865, the only thing I don't like about the South is the humidity in the summertime and the garbage rappers that seem to be getting all of this play that are from that region.
If I'm paying $20 for a cigar, it better be "contraband."
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| Posts: 208 | Location: Villa Regis, The Empreyan Heights | Registered: January 10, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Raven35031:
The one ethnic group that has really been shafted in the country are Native Americans...
I feel you there Raven! Looking back you'd probably find skeletons in the closests of almost all notable histotic figures. |
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quote: Originally posted by Omipotens Maximus Rex:
I have a deep seeded loathing for the Confederacy. The Confederacy came really closed to destroying America. If the Confederacy had been victorious, America would be a very different place.
I'll give the traitors a break on their actions before and during the Civil War as misguided as they were, Southerners felt they had a right to become a new nation. It's what happened AFTER THE WAR is what I have a problem with.
The racial problems that we have today in America stem directly from white people interfering and denying blacks to intergrate and assimilate into society. The same people that instituted segregation, were the same people who proudly fought on the side of the Confederacy in the Civil War.
Which brings us to the issue at hand. Back during the 2000 election, I was listening to Hannity and he was b*tching about how Al Gore was in support of the Stars and Bars being removed from the Capitol Grounds in South Carolina. Then Hannity asks why then Vice President Gore hasn't talked much about Nathan Bedford Forrest and the state park that's named after him in Gore's home state of Tennessee.
Nathan Bedford Forrest is regarded as one of the best generals of the Civil War, and as with Gen. Sherman would be by today's standards be regarded as a war criminal, but it's his actions after the war, that's troubling. He founded a fraternal organization that would later become what is known as the Klu Klux Klan.
One day I was in a bar, and I started to order some Jack Daniels. I really like Jack Daniels and for the longest, I've wanted to try Gentleman Jack, but I personally couldn't bring myself to purcahse a product that's manufactured in a state that regards the founder of an organization that's terrorized, disenfranchised, raped, and murder tens of thousands of people as some kind of hero. And organization that to this day still preaches hatred and discrimination.
I was reading a recent issue of CA and the article I was reading was about father and son teams in the cigar industry. I was going along in the article when I get got to the part when I read that CAO is headquarted, I think it was Nashville. The wind went out of my sails. To say I was severely disappointed was an understatement. The Brazilias from CAO are one of my two favorite smokes. A box of Brazilias were probably going to be the first box of cigars that I was going to buy when I eventually got a humidor.
To have all through the Southern United States these momunments to racist,slave holding traitors is disturbing enough as it is. but if people want to hold in high esteem their rebellous ancestors and elevate them to the level of demi-gods, go right head, but to justify that Nathan Forrest has a right to be in the Confederacy Pantheon, and to be honored with busts in the Tennesse Statehouse, statues, and a state park is not only absurd, but offensive. You can't call yourself a supporter of equal rights, yet feel the a man such as this should be honored. If the founder of the Nazi party was honored in such a fashion, this wouldn't even be an issue. That particular state or city would be boycotted into bankruptcy court.
In the end, I have to give up one of my two favorite cigars. I can't conciously support a company that's headquartered in a state that feels that the founder of the most imfamous racist group in America is a hero. Or am I being only sensitive?
P.S. To all you Confederacy sympathizers. Don't re-fight the Civil War and don't point to other instances of injustice. You don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
Please, Take your meds! |
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quote: Originally posted by Omipotens Maximus Rex: quote: Originally posted by Bones:
OMR,
Any problem with any other Southern state? How about anyother guys, problem with the South?
No. Actually I like Southerners, especially Southern women. Other than this ideal that died in Virginia of April, 1865, the only thing I don't like about the South is the humidity in the summertime and the garbage rappers that seem to be getting all of this play that are from that region.
Oh sooooo glad to hear you like Southern women. Go take your condesending dumb pie hole somewhere else. I'm not even going to address the "garbage rappers." Well maybe...rappers????rappers???no doubt your are an ICM! |
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| Posts: 1346 | Location: Back in Cigar City | Registered: April 30, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by punched: quote: Originally posted by Omipotens Maximus Rex: quote: Originally posted by Bones:
OMR,
Any problem with any other Southern state? How about anyother guys, problem with the South?
No. Actually I like Southerners, especially Southern women. Other than this ideal that died in Virginia of April, 1865, the only thing I don't like about the South is the humidity in the summertime and the garbage rappers that seem to be getting all of this play that are from that region.
Oh sooooo glad to hear you like Southern women. Go take your condesending dumb pie hole somewhere else. I'm not even going to address the "garbage rappers." Well maybe...rappers????rappers???no doubt your are an ICM!
My comment about Southerners was sincere, as I like everybody from everywhere, your the one who took offense to it.
If I'm paying $20 for a cigar, it better be "contraband."
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