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Originally posted by salibas007:
ah well.... I'm still bored...

I've got a question waiting for you on the "This will shock you" thread.

That's amazing. A truly unique ritual that I did not know existed. I would not qualify it as sick. I do find it risky.

Was there not a rage in the 70's of teaching babies to swim by "putting" them in a swimming pool and seeing the baby naturally paddling.


As for rituals that are barbaric I consider the excision and infibulation of girls to be one of the worst. In these the clitoris and external genitalia are removed. The vaginal opening is sewn shut leaving only an opening for urine. When the girl gets married the small opening enlarged by cutting and repeated intercourse prevents it reclosing.

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Originally posted by SubChop:

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Originally posted by salibas007:
ah well.... I'm still bored...

I've got a question waiting for you on the "This will shock you" thread.

oh.. OK then.... I'll check it now...

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Originally posted by salibas007:

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Originally posted by SubChop:

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Originally posted by salibas007:
ah well.... I'm still bored...

I've got a question waiting for you on the "This will shock you" thread.

oh.. OK then.... I'll check it now...

done and answered

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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:
Then you should be against the Arab tradition of castrating women removing there clitoris.So as they have no desire for men this allows the sheik to have many wives without fear of his wives being with other men.

Circumcision is removal of extra skin it has nothing to do with mutilating genitals i just gave you an example of what is.

I thought you went to college.

First, Sheepie, you're right. The dudes were Muslim, not Hindu. (Though they're still in India.) But I stand corrected.

Look, being against ritual and nonconsensual amputation is a pretty banal position and hardly in need of justification. Personally, I think those people in favor of it should be doing the explaining, but that's just silly ol' me.

And yeah, I'm against female circumcision, too.

As to college, who said I went to college? I'm just a simple man with a third grade education and an abiding interest in animals. (Can anyone tell me where that line is from? I can't quite pin it down. Saturday Night Live, I think.)

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Look, being against ritual and nonconsensual amputation is a pretty banal position and hardly in need of justification.

A pretty well constructed sentence for one who did not attend college.
How ever i remain unconvinced. Many perform circumcision for reasons other than ritual.
I think you are hung up on the Jewish tradition.
I for one am circumcised as are my 5 son's.
Case in point i know of several men who had to have it done because of recurring infections.
I cannot even tell you how they complained of the pain.
Also women who have intercourse with un circumcised men have a higher than average rate of cervical cancer.
Coincidence i think not.
Then there is the hygienic factor all that cheese growing.

Thats just nasty. But it has been proven in several documented cases that the foreskin in just a petri dish.

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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:
Then there is the hygienic factor all that cheese growing.

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Originally posted by Scottological: Personally, I think those people in favor of it should be doing the explaining, but that's just silly ol' me.

North American city doctors proned this practice thoughout the 50's.
It was never popular in Europe.

Various medical reasons have been espoused involving the reduction of the spread of STDs.
The most recent has been the fight against AIDS in Africa where it is said that millions of cases of AIDS could be prevented by circumcision.

I think the religious doctrine was also based upon health.

Ethics aside, the American Academy of Pediatrics released a positon paper in 1999 stating that there are no significant medical or therapeutic benefit to circumcision, certainly not enough to outweigh the risks, and their official position is to advise against infant circumcision as a routine procedure.

Circumcision became common practice in America only in the mid-19th century, because it was thought circumcising a boy would prevent him from masturbating when he reached adolescence, masturbation being blamed for a variety of ills in those days. Worldwide, only 18% of the male population on the planet has been circumcized.

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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:

Yes in fact they are they are also the same idiots that many American soldiers are dying for and becoming injured for the rest of there lives for everyday.

Ah come one Sheep, that's a little bit of a generalization wouldn't you say? They might be Muslim, but you can't just throw all Muslims under the bus.

Back to the topic of the ritual. It's absurd according to us, but it is their culture so whatever floats their boats. I'm not possitive, but there hasn't been any death or injuries due to this right? I'm pretty sure they don't let some random person drop the babies. You probably have to have a minimum of two years training with a watermelon first.

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Originally posted by SHEEPSHEAD BAY:

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Actually, the ethnic, religious and cultural diversity is quite astounding in those parts of the world. It is not very wise to make sweeping generalisations based on skin color, as you may know..

Another country heard from.
My comment has nothing to do with skin color you know me better than that Nick.
Quite frankly i am shocked by that comment i thought you where much smarter.
We are fighting that whole Muslim culture in the middle east thats all that comment meant. To twist and contort it to something else is sad indeed.
Maybe some have a little to much time on there hands.
I am not an expert on that culture and i doubt you are either when i see one type of Muslim flying airplanes into buildings.
The other type throwing innocent children off of buildings.
Still another strapping bombs on themselves and blowing up buses full of women and children it leads me to believe that there way of life is something the world can do without.

Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were racist, just that you're mixing up apples and oranges in a culturally very complex region.

It should have read : "Actually, the ethnic, religious and cultural diversity is quite astounding in those parts of the world. It is not very wise to make sweeping generalisations."

Just like saying : "All Muslims are bad." That's just plain wrong.

On a lighter note watch this video and see how wrong discrimination really is.
http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2008/03/29/how-muslims-are-treated-in-usa/

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Originally posted by Jack White:
Ethics aside, the American Academy of Pediatrics released a positon paper in 1999 stating that there are no significant medical or therapeutic benefit to circumcision, certainly not enough to outweigh the risks, and their official position is to advise against infant circumcision as a routine procedure.

Circumcision became common practice in America only in the mid-19th century, because it was thought circumcising a boy would prevent him from masturbating when he reached adolescence, masturbation being blamed for a variety of ills in those days. Worldwide, only 18% of the male population on the planet has been circumcized.

Yeah, I see what Sheep is saying about Africa, but in America, if not for religious reasons, I see no reason to do it. It's not really "unclean" if you wash. With the spread of STD's, have sex with and get tested. I mean, younger people might be shy to get tested because they think it means they're dirty and promiscuous, but I think it's simply the repsonsible adult thing to you. Personally, I think even if you're having sex with a virgin you should still get tested just to be safe. Testing for HIV is easy, painless, and probably costless for most people.

Plus, circumcision decrease pleasure of sex. I feel bad for you circumcised gentlemen who never got to experience it. To me, it's unexplainable and guys who are circumcised are missing out BIG time. If you never got to experience uncircumcised sex wit a a 18 year old hot, blonde virgin, I feel sorry for you because a circimcised guy will just never be 100%.
The skin covering your goods will protect it and prevent it from rubbing against you pants. This will keep it much more sensitive.



Ok, too much infromation?

And on the other side:
Mayo Clinic

AAP: Summary: Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision.

Full AAP report here

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Originally posted by Jack White:
Ethics aside, the American Academy of Pediatrics released a positon paper in 1999 stating that there are no significant medical or therapeutic benefit to circumcision, certainly not enough to outweigh the risks, and their official position is to advise against infant circumcision as a routine procedure.

Circumcision became common practice in America only in the mid-19th century, because it was thought circumcising a boy would prevent him from masturbating when he reached adolescence, masturbation being blamed for a variety of ills in those days. Worldwide, only 18% of the male population on the planet has been circumcized.

Feel free to start a porn thread and post your pics.

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Originally posted by jms2788:
Plus, circumcision decrease pleasure of sex. I feel bad for you circumcised gentlemen who never got to experience it. To me, it's unexplainable and guys who are circumcised are missing out BIG time. If you never got to experience uncircumcised sex wit a a 18 year old hot, blonde virgin, I feel sorry for you because a circimcised guy will just never be 100%.
The skin covering your goods will protect it and prevent it from rubbing against you pants. This will keep it much more sensitive.



Ok, too much infromation?

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Originally posted by jms2788:
If you never got to experience uncircumcised sex wit a a 18 year old hot, blonde virgin, I feel sorry for you because a circimcised guy will just never be 100%. ?

dude... that is just hilarious.... you sound like a 16 year old horny teenager.... keep it in your pants bro.

oh yeah.. BTW, most people wear some sort of underwear to keep their shlong from rubbing against your pants

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I feel bad for you circumcised gentlemen who never got to experience it. To me, it's unexplainable and guys who are circumcised are missing out BIG time.

You mean you can actually get a women to put that Ant Eater in there mouths?

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Originally posted by Presley:
I didn't know Michael Jackson moved to india?

Wow Good pull

The benefits

Circumcision may have health benefits, including:

* Easier hygiene. Circumcision makes it easy to wash the penis — although it's simple to clean an uncircumcised penis, too.
* Decreased risk of urinary tract infections. The risk of urinary tract infections in the first year is low, but these infections may be up to 10 times as common in uncircumcised baby boys. Severe infections early in life can lead to kidney problems later on.
* Prevention of penile problems. Occasionally, the foreskin on an uncircumcised penis may be difficult or impossible to retract (phimosis). This can also lead to inflammation of the head of the penis.
* Decreased risk of penile cancer. Although cancer of the penis is rare, it's less common in circumcised men.
* Decreased risk of sexually transmitted diseases. Safe sexual practices remain essential, but circumcised men may have a slightly lower risk of certain sexually transmitted diseases — including HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

Thats good enough for me thanks for the link Steve.