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Is that something like "I was looking back to see if you were looking back to see if I was looking back to see if you were looking back at me"?
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| Posts: 2922 | Location: Welland | Registered: August 21, 2002 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by QM: A non US vendor that uses the Farenheit temperature scale. Hmmmm.
The vapour pressure values are correct at those temperatures. Your chart multiplies 70%rh x 18.79 torr = 1315. It then calculates 1315 / Vp = RH A statement that cigars will dry out below 60 F. At 59.9 F the Vp is 13.15 torr so 1350/13.15 = 100% RH This is not shown in your chart.
So at 100% RH at 59.9 F the cigars will dry out??? That same logic implies that at 212 F cigars will be adequately humidified at 1.7% RH.
Look that whole thing ignores thermodynamic equilibrium. The equilibrium of water in tobacco, water in air and water as water (or as propylene glycol & water or as water in humidity beads) are all functions of temperature.
As air temperature increases its capacity to hold water increases. As tobacco temperature decreases its capacity to hold water increases. Water from a container will purport to air & tobacco in different proportions at different temperatures. Futhermore as was implied before: -pure water will tilt the equilibrium toward more water in air and cigars -water diluted with PG will be less active and purport less to water to the air. It can even remove water from air. -water in humidity beads will purport less water to the air. It can even remove water.
I have beefed your table to show where some numbers come from.
Temp (C) Temp (F) Vp water (torr) %RH Vp x RH 0.0 32.0 4.58 287.1 1315 13.9 57.0 11.90 110.5 1315 14.4 58.0 12.31 106.8 1315 15.0 59.0 12.79 102.8 1315 15.5 59.9 13.15 100.0 1315 15.6 60.0 13.29 98.9 1315 16.1 61.0 13.72 95.8 1315 16.7 62.0 14.23 92.4 1315 17.0 62.6 14.50 90.7 1315 17.2 63.0 14.71 89.4 1315 17.8 64.0 15.28 86.1 1315 18.0 64.4 15.48 84.9 1315 18.3 65.0 15.80 83.2 1315 18.9 66.0 16.37 80.3 1315 19.0 66.2 16.50 79.7 1315 19.4 67.0 16.95 77.6 1315 20.0 68.0 17.55 75.0 1315 20.6 69.0 18.17 72.4 1315 21.0 69.8 18.70 70.3 1315 21.1 70.0 18.79 70.0 1315 21.7 71.0 19.45 67.6 1315 22.0 71.6 19.80 66.4 1315 22.2 72.0 20.11 65.4 1315 22.8 73.0 20.81 63.2 1315 23.0 73.4 21.10 62.3 1315 23.3 74.0 21.51 61.1 1315 23.9 75.0 22.25 59.1 1315 24.0 75.2 22.40 58.7 1315 24.4 76.0 23.00 57.2 1315 25.0 77.0 23.80 55.3 1315 26.0 78.8 25.20 52.2 1315 27.0 80.6 26.70 49.3 1315 28.0 82.4 28.30 46.5 1315 100.0 212.0 760.00 1.7 1315
QM, Wow! Thanks for the clarification? Its diffucult to red your new and improved chart. Can you tell me (in simpleton terms) if my original CHART is correct within the temperatures listed (66-76 degrees F)? If not, what should the correct RH values be? Thanks - Loco
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| Posts: 56 | Location: NJ | Registered: April 06, 2006 |    |
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For the correct RH values when temperatures are between 60 & 80. 63%, 65%, 68% depending on the cigar
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| Posts: 7834 | Location: Cigar land | Registered: March 10, 2003 |    |
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