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Without our guns think of what our government will tell us to do... Whatever they f'n want. Forget about your precious freedom.
Your first shot puts him down, then you put one in his brain. Then he's dead, then we go home
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quote: Originally posted by Raven35031:
Having said that we have certain rights in this country given to us by the constitition and the bill of rights.
Just to set this straight Raven, the Constitution does not "give" us these rights. The Constitution merely recognizes that our creator has endowed us with them. The Constitutions purpose is to provide us with an enforceable means to protect them. |
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quote: Originally posted by OVN: quote: Originally posted by Raven35031:
Having said that we have certain rights in this country given to us by the constitition and the bill of rights.
Just to set this straight Raven, the Constitution does not "give" us these rights. The Constitution merely recognizes that our creator has endowed us with them. The Constitutions purpose is to provide us with an enforceable means to protect them.
Tiz a bit deep there my friend. To set the record straight as a defender of the Constitution, it says what it says and I swore an oath to defend it as did all federal law enforcement agents and all federal law makers. People can do what thay want to twist it around and apply misguided theories to it but like I stated before it says what it is says.
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| Posts: 3835 | Location: Blountsville, Alabama | Registered: August 09, 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by rikaguilera:
First off, Raven, While your nice long post did not address the titled subject of conversation, it was true. Yes, you took an oath, my family members in law enforcement took an oath. Yes, you have a right given by the second ammendment. I never questioned your right, nor your oath taken when entering the military. Kudos for you for doing such. The question was about citizens taking the law into their own hands, and taking another person's life to protect say a car, t.v. or other personal item. This is not speaking of invading armies, or threats to our national freedom. The question was of lethal force being taken by non peace officers...
"aholsber"- You mean to ask me if there were citizens not armed in the area of Laredo where this particular incident happened..? You are in Boston, I can see that, but just so you are aware, I can gaurantee that the citizens in this area are more than just armed. This is Texas we are talking about, and some stereotypes are true about this state. Not all, not most actually, but the fact that everybody (speaking in very large numbers obviously) carries a gun. It did not change anything.
wow, I wake up and decide to click on and see if there was any good news to start off the day...
Why do you think we have a second amendment? For hunters rights like many liberals what people to believe? Negative!!! Its there for really personal and property defence. This crap about not defending your property is a 20th centry view and not the views of the folks that drafted the Constitution. We seem to have seen the pendulum start to swing back the other way with more and more states alowing for concealed carry and expanding deadly force laws to include property. People are tired of criminals having more rights when they victimize us and its about time that we send them and federal agents and lawmakers that we will do everything possable even if it means killing a thug to defend ourselves and protect our hard earned property. I am so very glad I dont live in the north east or the left coast where if I killed some low life thug that wanted to victimize me and then I get sent to prison. That is stupid!!
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| Posts: 3835 | Location: Blountsville, Alabama | Registered: August 09, 2004 | |
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quote: Why do you think we have a second amendment? For hunters rights like many liberals what people to believe? Negative!!!
Not sure what you are trying to say here, but ok. I looked up the census report for where you listed your location to be. You live in a town of approx. 2000 people. I am sure that life, and your proclamation of protection is much different than other places. I live in the 7th largest city in the U.S. And life here is much different than where you live. This is why (at the start of this thread) I stated that every situation is different, and dictates a different action and outcome. A blanket law is not efficent because of the differences between such places as yours and mine. Now as far as you sending federal agents and lawmakers (you want to send them something, but you were not very clear on what..) a message, I guess,.. Well, sure. But there is a right way and wrong way to do such a thing. And it may not require you to take anothers life.
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| Posts: 116 | Location: San Antonio, Tx. | Registered: May 25, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Extensioncord:
Should you be able to shoot someone who you catch trying to steal your hubcaps? Of course not. But if they break into your house in the middle of the night, you have no idea whether they're after the DVD player or your life -- then absolutely. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Seems like common sense to me.
I agree with that up there..... ^^^^ If somebody startles me by entering my home without permission....I'm not going to ask questions.....I'm going to maim or 'cap their a$$es' if I don't recognize them. 
I have made it a rule never to smoke more that one cigar at a time. -- Mark Twain
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| Posts: 284 | Location: In the SouthWest! | Registered: December 10, 2005 | |
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quote: Originally posted by rikaguilera: quote: Why do you think we have a second amendment? For hunters rights like many liberals what people to believe? Negative!!!
Not sure what you are trying to say here, but ok. I looked up the census report for where you listed your location to be. You live in a town of approx. 2000 people. I am sure that life, and your proclamation of protection is much different than other places. I live in the 7th largest city in the U.S. And life here is much different than where you live. This is why (at the start of this thread) I stated that every situation is different, and dictates a different action and outcome. A blanket law is not efficent because of the differences between such places as yours and mine. Now as far as you sending federal agents and lawmakers (you want to send them something, but you were not very clear on what..) a message, I guess,.. Well, sure. But there is a right way and wrong way to do such a thing. And it may not require you to take anothers life.
I'm not sure what you are saying rikaguilera. That crime is exclusive to big cities? Every situation is different but they should all be treated the same...as if your life depended on it. You must treat approaching the dirtbag stealing your hubcaps the same way as you would the dirtbag entering your house. Why would one be more or less likely to kill or hurt you more than the other? The answer is either can. Now, if you're trained in firearms you know that first you need to identify your target before you shoot. In that time span you are also making a decision of whether to shoot or not to shoot. This could be a fraction of a second or longer depending on the situation. In that same time span the dirtbag is doing the same. The only question is, are you armed and prepared to handle the situation? Or are you waiting for the police to show up? They will eventually get there; it's just a matter of what they will write in their report.
Mike D
I hate violence! I hate it so much I am willing to kill anyone who tries to use it against me.
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quote: Originally posted by rikaguilera:
I looked up the census report for where you listed your location to be. You live in a town of approx. 2000 people. I am sure that life, and your proclamation of protection is much different than other places. I live in the 7th largest city in the U.S. And life here is much different than where you live. This is why (at the start of this thread) I stated that every situation is different, and dictates a different action and outcome. A blanket law is not efficent because of the differences between such places as yours and mine.
Actually I grew up in Birmingham with a metro area population of over a million people. I now live on 17 acres way out in the country. Blountsville is my postal rout address. From your statement above I take it that you think its OK for some areas of our country to have, carry, and use weapons to protect yourself and your property?
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| Posts: 3835 | Location: Blountsville, Alabama | Registered: August 09, 2004 | |
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quote: From your statement above I take it that you think its OK for some areas of our country to have, carry, and use weapons to protect yourself and your property?
Yes I do. And because the subject of the thread asked if "Lethal Force" was ok or not, that is what I based my comments on. I never even eluded to the idea that crime was only in big cities, as somebody else asked, that is just stupid. And my original statement was that every situation dictates a different action and result. Not sure how that got twisted into big city crime, and second ammendment rights, but everybody (obviously) takes a different path of thinking. Which only goes further to show how people do not think alike, and a blanket law will have some thinking they are in the right, when they are only going to be taking a life needlessly, and having to live with it. The topic was not on gun control, the constitution, any oaths taken, or crime rates in small towns vs. big towns., but it did end up there. Lethal force does not mean that you have to use a gun. I am sure that my many years of playing baseball would have me taking out a guy with a bat just as easy..
"I would rather be dead and cool, than alive and un-cool.."
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| Posts: 116 | Location: San Antonio, Tx. | Registered: May 25, 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by rikaguilera:
I never even eluded to the idea that crime was only in big cities, as somebody else asked, that is just stupid.
Sure you did and I quote you. quote: I looked up the census report for where you listed your location to be. You live in a town of approx. 2000 people. I am sure that life, and your proclamation of protection is much different than other places. I live in the 7th largest city in the U.S. And life here is much different than where you live.
That kinda sounds like you were trying to compare the two to me. quote: Not sure how that got twisted into big city crime, and second ammendment rights, but everybody (obviously) takes a different path of thinking.
Because you brought it there. quote: The topic was not on gun control, the constitution, any oaths taken, or crime rates in small towns vs. big towns., but it did end up there.
Thanks to you. I point this out because all you have to do is read what you write. That's the first step.
Mike D
I hate violence! I hate it so much I am willing to kill anyone who tries to use it against me.
-- Mike Waidelich
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Well bottom line is if anyone comes on my property to steal or destroy my property I will shoot them dead, period, no question about it, they are dead. Thanks to our new state law it will be 100% justified by law. Soooo that means I have the green light to pop a cap in their low life ass and I have nooooooo problem doing just that.
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| Posts: 3835 | Location: Blountsville, Alabama | Registered: August 09, 2004 | |
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Mike, stating that crime in a city of over 1.5 million, and a town of 2k is different, and requires a different approach,.. that means it is only in big cities???? Maybe you don't understand what was written,but the statement you quoted does not say that crime is only in big cities. A bias on your part may fog what is actually written, but perhaps you should re-read the statement. Slowly this time.. And no, I did not bring it there. The path of comments went there. Did you see my first post on this thread.? It has nothing to do with the subject matter listed (gun control, rights.,etc..) I then commented on what others were saying. Again, re-read slowly for comprehension.
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| Posts: 116 | Location: San Antonio, Tx. | Registered: May 25, 2006 | |
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Can you explain how crime is different? Oh yea, please type s l o w l e y f o r m e.
Mike D
I hate violence! I hate it so much I am willing to kill anyone who tries to use it against me.
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From what I heard, that's also prom night in PR.
Mike D
I hate violence! I hate it so much I am willing to kill anyone who tries to use it against me.
-- Mike Waidelich
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I remember a funny bumber stickers that you could buy in the classified ads of one of the Pedersen or other G & A type mags. "Trespassers shall be shot. Survivors shall be shot again" Don't you just like the use of the commanding "shall" as opposed to the usual commonly used "will". Then there is the patently made to offend "Kill them all. Let God sort the out" Great for guns but more appropriate for carpet bombing and fuel-air explosions. I guess it would take God to sort through all those bits and pieces. A favorite, oft said by Charlton. "You can take my gun from my cold dead hand". I can just imagine a CSI using vice grips and a chisel to get the Colt out of some stubborn dead guy's rigor mortis stiffened fingers. 
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I had to look that one up. acronyms
Out of one, many.
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