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quote: Originally posted by KKL:
I disagree to a point. I can understand the reasons for the embargo circa 1962. 2008? Well, that's a different story.
Agreed...and though God may have created the Earth, humans control it...unless you're a Hard Determinist... 
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quote: Originally posted by Cigar Kid:
Sorry I must have woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something because I'm cranky and have to vent.
I am not saying this because of cigars even though we all love the leaf.
I may be some what younger at 30 yrs old so I really don't understand to much on the embargo. But what has me upset is the fact that(now I don't like getting religious on forums but) God made the earth and I just don't understand how another human being can take away a right to travel/use resources from a island that only God has created. I don't know our purpose here on earth but I do know it is not to judge/cause problems or stop another human from enjoying all of what mother earth has to offer.
Sorry Guys if my message makes no sense or upsets anyone. But thank you I feel a bit better now for getting that off my chest. And I didn't have to pay a theapist a arm and a leg for that.
When the smaller Island that God created has nuclear missiles pointed at a bigger island that God created, theres gonna be a little retaliation in mind and some bitterness for quite sometime from the creatures that God has placed on the islands that he created. Has nothing to do with God bro. everything to do with politics. End of thread!!!!
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Have to ask. Then we should also be able to enjoy heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc., since these also come from the earth and were created by God?
In heaven there ain't no beer,
that's why I drink it here.
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quote: I may be some what younger at 30 yrs old so I really don't understand to much on the embargo.
The Embargo was originally in reponse to Castro's aligning Cuba politically with the Soviet Union in 1960 and expropriating American-owned businesses on the island. In early 1962, President Kennedy extended the existing restrictions on arms and sugar to include a total embargo on all trade with the island ( after laying in a good supply of Petit H. Upmanns). That embargo has been extended and strengthened over the past administrations. The policy is unlikely to change as long as that first generation of politically-connected and powerful post-1960 Cuban exiles are still around. There's a reasonably comprehension and objective summary of the embargo on Wikipedia -- if you're truly unfamiliar with the rationale for it, it'd be instructive to read it.
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quote: Originally posted by Smok'em:
Have to ask. Then we should also be able to enjoy heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc., since these also come from the earth and were created by God?
Yes this stuff was created by GOD. Man has used these as medicine for eons but it is also man that has misused these same herbs that GOD created for other purposes. |
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quote: NO disagreements here everyone has a point.
Jeez, what fun is that??
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| Posts: 4033 | Location: Boston | Registered: April 16, 2005 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Cigar Kid: . . .
(now I don't like getting religious on forums but) . . .
Then don't. If you can't form a cogent argument without relying on supernatural beings, don't make the argument at all. -
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| Posts: 300 | Location: Paris | Registered: November 19, 2003 | |
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quote: Originally posted by littoines: quote: Originally posted by Smok'em:
Have to ask. Then we should also be able to enjoy heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc., since these also come from the earth and were created by God?
Yes this stuff was created by GOD. Man has used these as medicine for eons but it is also man that has misused these same herbs that GOD created for other purposes.
If that is the case, why didn't God/GOD/Gawd simply create these medicines without their corresponding psychoactive properties?
When the facts change, I change. What do you do, sir? - Lord Keynes
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| Posts: 2286 | Location: the GTA | Registered: November 28, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Jeebus:
If that is the case, why didn't God/GOD/Gawd simply create these medicines without their corresponding psychoactive properties?
Cause he's a party kinda guy!
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| Posts: 2762 | Location: Mt-St-Hilaire, Quebec | Registered: June 21, 2006 | |
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Actually I have been thinking of this lately. Here is my thought of why "they" won't end the embargo. It will harm the local economies of the non Cuban cigar exporters. Again I may be totally wrong as I frequently am.
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quote: Originally posted by Osnat45: quote: Originally posted by Cigar Kid: . . .
(now I don't like getting religious on forums but) . . .
Then don't. If you can't form a cogent argument without relying on supernatural beings, don't make the argument at all.
Ah.... a refreshing and much needed dose of common sense. 
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| Posts: 2286 | Location: the GTA | Registered: November 28, 2007 | |
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I remember why we have the embargo. I was a Senior in High School when the Russians placed ICBM's in Cuba. Castro and Kruschev shook their fists at us and President Kennedy did everything that he could to avert a war. There was a blockade on Cuba as well as a world-wide embargo. I and many of my fellow students were ready to quit school and join the army to fight the Russians and Cubans. Thank God it didn't come to that. Personally I feel that this was a conflict between Castro, Kruschev and Kennedy and it is no longer necessary, but it is now a matter of votes from expatriot Cubans. If a particular President ends the embargo, there go his votes.
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| Posts: 9573 | Location: New York City | Registered: May 02, 2002 | |
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quote: Have to ask. Then we should also be able to enjoy heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc., since these also come from the earth and were created by God?
Try Holland
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| Posts: 4745 | Location: Reggio di Calabria, Italy / New York United States | Registered: July 12, 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Jeebus: quote: Originally posted by littoines: quote: Originally posted by Smok'em:
Have to ask. Then we should also be able to enjoy heroin, cocaine, marijuana, etc., since these also come from the earth and were created by God?
Yes this stuff was created by GOD. Man has used these as medicine for eons but it is also man that has misused these same herbs that GOD created for other purposes.
If that is the case, why didn't God/GOD/Gawd simply create these medicines without their corresponding psychoactive properties?
I never question GOD. I just have faith in all he does. |
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quote: Originally posted by littoines: quote: Originally posted by Jeebus:
If that is the case, why didn't God/GOD/Gawd simply create these medicines without their corresponding psychoactive properties?
I never question GOD. I just have faith in all he does.
That seems to be a common response, particularly among those less inquisitive. Of course, it begs the question of whether or not asking such a question would entail "questioning god" in the first place, or if it were simply a question of logic. In any case, I was not questioning god, I was questioning the hypothesis that god created these medicines. If he did, why would he have given them psychoactive properties, if such properties cause addictions and hurt people? Such a powerful being could certainly have created the same medicines without their corresponding psychoactive properties. Surely you must have a more compelling response than "I never question god". That's just a cop out.
When the facts change, I change. What do you do, sir? - Lord Keynes
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| Posts: 2286 | Location: the GTA | Registered: November 28, 2007 | |
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I'm sorry to dissapoint you Jeebus. I don't argue or discuss religion. I will discuss cigars though . |
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