Don't read too much into it. I just find you boring is all.

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Originally posted by pintoirish:

You know, for all of his bluster, at least mikeyd knows he's over-the-top. I laugh when I think of you earnestly refashioning yourself as the voice of moderation on these boards. A little late in the game, don't ya think?

The Instant UBBCode should have a "Shriek" function, named in your honor.


This was actually a pretty civil thread, until you--honoring your policy of exaggerate first, read later--took it upon yourself to defend Ronald Reagan from an imagined slight

Battle on, great defender of the Reagan legacy, of the integrity of these boards, and of alarmists everywhere.

There are able defenders of the conservative tradition on these forums. You do them a great injustice every time you post, and are really my most compelling argument against that tradition.

"Crashing" this forum? Trust me, sobek: if this were a real party, you wouldn't be allowed anywhere near it.

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Dems mighty big words from a rube from West Virgina. What kind of parties do all ya'll have in West Virgina?

Mike D

I hate violence! I hate it so much I am willing to kill anyone who tries to use it against me.
-- Mike Waidelich

Now that's boring.

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If ever there was a people ripe for dictatorship it is the American people today. Should a home-grown Hitler appear, whose voice, amongst the public orders, would be raised against him in derision? Certainly no voice on television: 'Sorry, the guy has a lot of fans. Sure, we know he's bad news, but you can't hurt people's feelings. They buy soap, too.'

-Gore Vidal

OK pin, Nixon was never convicted of anything. Great guy in your opinion? For that matter neither was OJ.

Mike

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill

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Originally posted by pintoirish:
This was actually a pretty civil thread, until you--honoring your policy of exaggerate first, read later--took it upon yourself to defend Ronald Reagan from an imagined slight

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So if I were to say...you're too fat to stand upright. Nothing wrong with that, right? True statement, yes? You are obese enough to have gout in both legs, according to you.

A statement like that is in bad taste, and I only write it to prove a point. Pointing out a person's medical affliction is not a cool thing to do.

But in your case, you make an assumption that Reagan had alzheimers during his presidency. That would be a false statement.

Sobek, for someone so easily bored you sure have beaten this thread to death.

I only remarked on a condition that everyone knew to be true, and in a pretty clinical--if irreverent--way. Any disrespect was inferred, not implied.

Your statement that "I'm too fat to stand"--though indelicate and apropos of nothing (my comment on Reagan was framed in a larger argument on his respect for the office)--would be a reasonable assumption, given that many people who suffer from gout are overweight.

By the same token, my suggestion that Reagan--though publicly acknowledging his disease in 1994--was probably symptomatic some time prior to 1994 would also be a reasonable assumption, consistent with everything that medical and aging professionals know about the disease (a progressive disease)--unless you believe Reagan instantly stricken.

Your taking the comment personally does not make it any less plausible.

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originally posted by michaelsean:

OK pin, Nixon was never convicted of anything.
Great guy in your opinion? For that matter
neither was OJ.

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In resigning the presidency, Nixon was acknowledging the unappealing realities brought to him by Senate Republicans: if Nixon were impeached, he would surely have been convicted in the Senate trial.

But for all of his misdeeds, I can't rightfully call Nixon a "criminal" in any literal sense, for the simple fact that he was never indicted and certainly never convicted of any wrongdoing.

The public at large can and often does impose its own judgement, so if conservatives insist on calling Clinton a liar they're certainly within their rights. But to suggest that Clinton "perjured" himself simply isn't factual: the contempt of court ruling was grounded in "obstruction of justice", not perjury. Judge Susan Weber Wright knew that any perjury charge meant reversing an earlier decision, so she chose the path of least resistance.

This all reminds me of Billy Martin's criticism of Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner: "One's a born liar, the other's a convicted liar."

If Billy Martin (RIP) can make the distinction, shouldn't we all be able to?


Starting this post, I never imagined working Billy Martin into this thread.

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If ever there was a people ripe for dictatorship it is the American people today. Should a home-grown Hitler appear, whose voice, amongst the public orders, would be raised against him in derision? Certainly no voice on television: 'Sorry, the guy has a lot of fans. Sure, we know he's bad news, but you can't hurt people's feelings. They buy soap, too.'

-Gore Vidal