Lighten up! Or better yet, light one up!

I shall defend my man, Bill, till the day I die.


My point in all this is that I don' t think anyone should ask the Pres of the good ole USA about his personal life.
Asking these questions was the epitome of ......I lack the words to express my outrage.

Notice I am not talking about financial or business wheeling and dealing. That is fair game for any investigations, snooping and public disclosure.

BTW. I have a box of Sancho P Beli and and a box BBF each arriving from Cuba at 11:32 PM EDT. That's tonight.

To the airport I say.

QM
Quality does not occur by chance. It is the result of intelligent activities.

Your man? Jeesh, he's not even your President! I think it stops being your private life when it becomes public and tarnishes the office you hold. I would expect more discretion from the President.

"There are five things, above all else, that make life worth living: a good relationship with God, a good woman, good health, good friends, and a good cigar."
-- Prince Sined Yar Maharg

QM, they didn't just wake up one day and start asking him these questions. He was asked these questions as defendent in a sexual harrassment case.

Mike

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln

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originally posted by michaelsean:

Ronald Reagan would never take his jacket off
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He probably forgot that he was wearing a jacket. Let's not confuse dementia with humility.

Secondly, this perjury rant is another misconception. Susan Weber Wright, the judge in the Paula Jones case (coincidentally, a woman with a long-standing axe to grind against Clinton), ruled that the Lewinsky testimony was "immaterial to the core issues" of the case. Read: not perjury, since a perjury charge must prove (a) that an individual made statements that he/she knew to be false [evasion is not perjury] and (b) the testimony must concern material issues.

Any prosecutor worth his salt would tell you that perjury is a damn tough sell. Whether or not the president lied is up for debate: the fact that he did not perjure himself is beyond question.

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It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

-Gore Vidal

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Originally posted by pintoirish:
He probably forgot that he was wearing a jacket. Let's not confuse dementia with humility.

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Seriously, what kind of douche are you?? The guy had alzheimers and you have the audacity to piss on a great man's grave for a debilitating disease that he got well after he served this country?

"I did NOT have sexual relations with THAT woman!" I guess when faced with the protein/DNA deposit left on an article of clothing, it becomes "sophisticated!"LOL

Holy Sh it QM/Pinto; you have now forced me to agree with both Shakey AND Sobek within the confines of ONE thread! QM, you need to quit your day job and work for moveon.org full time! You're obviously NOT married! LMAO

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Originally posted by michaelsean:
Ronald Reagan would never take his jacket off in the Oval Office, and Clinton is shoving cigars up some fatty's slit there. That's a far drop.

Mike

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln

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Come on, Mike, I know Monica's not Ann or anything....but she's HOT!!! lol

dragoman

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The goal of the “liberals”—as it emerges from the record of the past decades—was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot—by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli. (The goal of the “conservative” was only to retard that process.) -----Ayn Rand,

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I now will defend Thompson Cigar Co. against any and all naysayers!!! Such is my vow!!

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Then maybe you can tell me why his law license was suspended and he was fined, pin.

Mike

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln

You're a sick man, drago.

Mike

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln

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originally posted by sobek:

Seriously, what kind of douche are you??

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I know, I'm a real POS because I don't ignore inconvenient facts. Your theory is that Reagan just woke up one day and "discovered" that he had Alzheimer's. Whatever.

I guess that deep, abiding respect that the "great man" had for his office was no obstacle when it came to circumventing Congress's absolute power of the purse and funding his own private war in Nicaragua (does anyone even remember Iran-Contra?).

BTW: When does this round of public mourning end and honest discussion of Reagan's legacy begin? Six months from now? A year? Two years? Clinton's barely left the office and people are quick to ascribe a "legacy".

I'm just not the sentimental pile of goo that you seem to be sobek. Mike dragged his name into this thread, and though I know that raining on the deification of Ronald Reagan is an unforgivable heresy in some circles, I just can't grant the man a stature in death that he didn't earn in life. That would be hypocritical, even fanatical.


Oscuro, Bill's now legendary denial was offered at a press conference. He wasn't under oath when he made the statement. Say that he was caught with his pants down (ouch!), but, again, it doesn't rise to the level of perjury.

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If ever there was a people ripe for dictatorship it is the American people today. Should a home-grown Hitler appear, whose voice, amongst the public orders, would be raised against him in derision? Certainly no voice on television: 'Sorry, the guy has a lot of fans. Sure, we know he's bad news, but you can't hurt people's feelings. They buy soap, too.'

-Gore Vidal

[This message was edited by pintoirish on August 09, 2004 at 05:30 PM.]

Well pin I hope you have the same contempt for FDR who circumvented Congress to fund the atom bomb. And why again did Bill lose his law license? It was for contempt of court. How did he commit contempt of court? By lying under oath. Now what other name is lying under oath known by?

Mike

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln

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Originally posted by pintoirish:

I'm just not the sentimental pile of goo that you seem to be sobek. Mike dragged his name into this thread, and though I know that raining on the deification of Ronald Reagan is an unforgivable heresy in some circles, I just can't grant the man a stature in death that he didn't earn in life. That would be hypocritical, even fanatical.

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I don't care if you were talking about the local garbageman. Breaking down a man for his terminal disease is bad form, and shows you have no class.
You might as well insult cancer and AIDS patients for being underweight and gaunt.

Just because you did not care for his political affiliation does not make it tasteful in any way to take stabs at him for a disease he could not control.

There has been no time in US history where the abilities of the president himself was called more upon than during the cold war and the nuclear arms negotiations. In the end, Reagan managed to leave the table with everything and lost nothing. He outwitted and outplayed Gorbechev. No one in their right mind would think Carter or Mondale could have pulled that off. So his admin had a few blemishes. Big deal. He did more good for this country than harm, by a long shot.

...I find it strange that RR's name and AIDs came up in the same post.

DC
S.N.O.B. #1009
You've probably heard of me!

I'm with QM on this one fellas Clinton was the best president the smart folks in the US have elected in recent history!

Reagan in his later days had more on the ball that Geaore W. He is an absolute MORON. I liked Clinton's Panache and his proclivity for sexual philandering.

Oh, and he didn't start wars with people who did not attack him first. Afghanistan made sense - I raq was all about the oil.

It is what it is - till it aint

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Originally posted by newbie39:
I'm with QM on this one fellas Clinton was the best president the smart folks in the US have elected in recent history!

Reagan in his later days had more on the ball that Geaore W. He is an absolute MORON. I liked Clinton's Panache and his proclivity for sexual philandering.

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Wow, that didn't help.

You never heard of Bosnia, newbie?

Mike

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln

Any president (Clinton) who is instrumental in gutting our military and intelligence communities cannot ever be considered a good president. The economic policies established by Reagan and Bush 41 were the factors that propelled the "Clinton" ecomomy until he was finally able to push it into a recession before handing the declining economy over to W. It is a sad day when a President defiles the Oval Office in such a way that his everlasting legacy is a creme colored stain on a size 18 dress.

....Geez kutch you have a unique version of histroy there. BTW....who would you suppose had all the military armaments in place for George to use? Remember he was only in office months before starting with Afghanistan and then slip sliding into Iraq.

DC
S.N.O.B. #1009
You've probably heard of me!