Lordy lord you are talking absolute crap, bolidude.

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Originally posted by bolidude:
Actually, I am a surgeon.

Of course you are.

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Originally posted by bolidude:
Was she in the hospital, did she go home and not return for a few days? Do you know ALL that happened, All I am saying is, don't be so quick to judge.

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Doctors told her she was losing her 17-week pregnancy, as her cervix had dilated and the amniotic sac had broken, and that the foetus would not survive.

She was in extreme pain. Assuming the article is accurate, they had to know septicemia was likely. Even some guy with a degree from the Caribbean should be able to figure this one out.

I'm chairman of Obstetric Anesthesia at my hospital. The outcome for a fetus with premature rupture of membranes at 17 weeks is so dismal, most obstetricians in the states wouldn't dare risk the mother's life to try to save it. Even the ones that dont do "abortions" would not consider this to be an abortion. This woman died because of cultural differences, nothing more.

religious differences, you mean.

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Originally posted by anchovie2:
religious differences, you mean.

No. I meant what I said. Many people here are catholic too, but there are cultural differences at play. Medicine as practiced in America always puts the mother first. Not so much in many of the catholic nations around the world. This is probably the main reason our infant mortality rates are higher than other many other countries.

And to add to that, if this happened in the USA the doctor would be sued for millions of dollars and he/she would definitely lose. And in this case, he/she would deserve it.

That's a very sad case. Abortion is a murky issue here. It is legal when the life of the mother is at risk but successive governments have failed to get around to legislating for it properly. If anything 'good' can be said to come of this case it's that it might light a fire under the current government to do something about it.
Supposedly, an independent investigation is to be opened on the case. It's possibly a little early to know exactly what happened, but if any medical professional in the hospital said to her or her husband that 'this is a catholic country' while refusing to perform a procedure that would have a better chance at saving her life, well some action needs to be taken.
There were a number of demonstrations/vigils around the country and at the Irish embassy in london this evening in her memory.
There are not many people left in this country who think the hospital staff made the right decisions, if indeed the events turn out to have happened as reported.

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Originally posted by sobek:

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Originally posted by bolidude:
Actually, I am a surgeon.

You are a surgeon and you don't understand the difference between risk/preventive medicine vs diagnosis/treatment.

Seriously?

Don't even try Bolidude; Sobek is all wise and knowing. He's never wrong (I mean he never admits it).

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Originally posted by Mr. Magicoa:
Women died from these complications hundreds of years ago, maybe as recently as the early 20th century, but certainly not in the 21st century. Not with today's medicine.

Those doctors made a shockingly bad decision.

That's not entirely true. Not to sound 'holier than thou' but, given the numbers, it's very likely that a woman died due to childbirth complications while I'm writing this.
Today's medicine certainly could prevent most of them. It's people not getting it is the problem.

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Originally posted by Marker:
I feel bad she and the child died.

This is a worthless and petty post Anchovie. If you want to bump one of your 4000 posts spraying your anti-religious rants go ahead. Using this lady and her unborn child to point out an unfortunate result of religious law is low.

Not that I think you are above that. Just pointing it out.

I couldn't of said it better.

How low can you truly go Anchovie?
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Originally posted by xFreebirdx:

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Originally posted by Marker:
I feel bad she and the child died.

This is a worthless and petty post Anchovie. If you want to bump one of your 4000 posts spraying your anti-religious rants go ahead. Using this lady and her unborn child to point out an unfortunate result of religious law is low.

Not that I think you are above that. Just pointing it out.

I couldn't of said it better.

How low can you truly go Anchovie?
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Yes, no one should discuss it.

We should just shut down this forum and get rid of all discussion.

In fact, we should just ban all communication.

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Originally posted by AnRyan:

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Originally posted by Mr. Magicoa:
Women died from these complications hundreds of years ago, maybe as recently as the early 20th century, but certainly not in the 21st century. Not with today's medicine.

Those doctors made a shockingly bad decision.

That's not entirely true. Not to sound 'holier than thou' but, given the numbers, it's very likely that a woman died due to childbirth complications while I'm writing this.
Today's medicine certainly could prevent most of them. It's people not getting it is the problem.

Of course, maybe I should have phrased it better. I meant that this would have been a highly unlikely outcome if she were treated properly.

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Originally posted by bolidude:
...Once again, I am sure they had their hands tied....

I understand that popular expression but what exactly do you mean, medically/legally/ethically speaking that is?

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Originally posted by sobek:

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Originally posted by xFreebirdx:

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Originally posted by Marker:
I feel bad she and the child died.

This is a worthless and petty post Anchovie. If you want to bump one of your 4000 posts spraying your anti-religious rants go ahead. Using this lady and her unborn child to point out an unfortunate result of religious law is low.

Not that I think you are above that. Just pointing it out.

I couldn't of said it better.

How low can you truly go Anchovie?
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Yes, no one should discuss it.

We should just shut down this forum and get rid of all discussion.

In fact, we should just ban all communication.

Sobek, really? I gave the reason for my post and a solution to push his anti-religious views if he wanted. Using this lady for his focal point was low. If you don't think so that is fine. I don't expect anything from you.

Look anywhere in my post for me saying he cannot express his views.

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Originally posted by hydragoat:

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Originally posted by bolidude:
...Once again, I am sure they had their hands tied....

I understand that popular expression but what exactly do you mean, medically/legally/ethically speaking that is?

From what things appear to be, all of the above. It appears it would be an illegal act to terminate the pregnancy, I don't know if the attending physician would lose his licence or privileges, etc.

I just don't think it is appropriate to judge someone from somewhere else about something that happened we know so little about.