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I have zero problem with this endorsement. And I think you will also find that the vast majority of Americans won't, either.

Perhaps you can explain to us why Islam happens to have so many extremely violent adherents, Lucky. And from an American perspective, why shouldn't the fact bother us?

I am obligated by all that is right and good to say that there are some peaceful Muslims out there who will never cause any problems for anyone. But . . .

....but go on destroying Islam because it's the purpose of America's "divine" existence. Suuuure.
Talk about hypocrisy.

America is like a box of chocolate covered nuts, you never know what you're gonna get.

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Originally posted by Steve Cohen:
America is like a box of chocolate covered nuts, you never know what you're gonna get.

But it's usually something that can break your teeth...

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Originally posted by Coriolanus:
I have zero problem with this endorsement. And I think you will also find that the vast majority of Americans won't, either.

Perhaps you can explain to us why Islam happens to have so many extremely violent adherents, Lucky. And from an American perspective, why shouldn't the fact bother us?

I am obligated by all that is right and good to say that there are some peaceful Muslims out there who will never cause any problems for anyone. But . . .

Over the last 2000 years, more blood has been shed in the name of religion (either for or against) than for any other single cause. Most of that bloodletting was initiated from the christian side.

Granted, things have calmed down a bit. People aren't brutally tortured and killed in Europe and elsewhere for praying the wrong way or reading the wrong sacred text, but it's not been that long since the witch trials, the inquisition, the wars between protestants and catholics (which are actually still on-going in some quarters...). Not to mention of course the treatment of jews and other non-christians as recently as the balkan wars of the last decade.

Christianity is a religion of peace. But... There are those extremists who don't accept this, and who believe that Christianity should be enforced by violence.

Islam is a religion of peace. But... There are those extremists who don't accept this, and who believe that Islam should be enforced by violence.

My question is this - when will the moderates of both faiths realize what is being done in their name and put a stop to it?

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Originally posted by Steve Cohen:
America is like a box of chocolate covered nuts, you never know what you're gonna get.

Reminds me of a line from Me, Myself, and Irene:

"The guy's nuttier than a squirrel turd!"

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Originally posted by LuckyBreak:
....but go on destroying Islam because it's the purpose of America's "divine" existence. Suuuure.
Talk about hypocrisy.

A supposedly small sect of Islamists attacked the US and now they are getting our response. If they don't like it, too bad.

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My question is this - when will the moderates of both faiths realize what is being done in their name and put a stop to it?

CP, I think the vast majority of Christians repudiate violent acts performed in the name of Christianity. I am a moderate -- what would you like for me to do in a situation like the one we had in the Balkans?

You also have to take into account that violent people can use any number of religious pretexts to commit violent acts.

That said, the Koran supports sectarian violence (See book 5, verses 64 and 82). Never once does it say that God is love. Seems to me that at some point we have to call an apple an apple and quit "wondering" why so many Muslims commit acts of violence in the name of Allah. Sorry for not being PC, but I am tired of people who hide their heads in the sand without actually looking at what the Koran says.

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Originally posted by Coriolanus:

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Originally posted by LuckyBreak:
....but go on destroying Islam because it's the purpose of America's "divine" existence. Suuuure.
Talk about hypocrisy.

A supposedly small sect of Islamists attacked the US and now they are getting our response. If they don't like it, too bad.

There is that... Americans are angry - deeply and appropriately - about 9/11 and related violence from the radical wing of Islam.

I fully agree with this, and I feel the same way.

I'm only concerned when the brush we're painting with gets too wide.

I don't agree with Rev Wright either - both of these preachers are going far beyond the mainstream. They're tapping into the fears and anger of their flocks for their own purposes. I'd urge both McCain and Obama to take a long and hard look at their relationships with their respective extremists...

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but go on destroying Islam because it's the purpose of America's "divine" existence. Suuuure.
Talk about hypocrisy.

No America should just bow down before you.
Your name is Lucky and you are Lucky indeed that America did not Drop a real bomb like the one that was dropped in Japan.
They also where a terrible blood thirsty bunch.I believe the year was 1937 when they marched into Nan King and butchered hundreds of thousands of Chinese.
Many women and children the ones they did not rape first some of them no older than 10 yrs old.
Many criticized America for the bombing of Japan but look how well it has served them today they are a civilized culture a part of the world.
Muslims are not the first culture to use violence as an end to a means and they most certainly won't be the last.
But remember violence begets violence.
America is done turning the other cheek Lucky they did it in Beirut and years later when the Uss Cole was bombed.
I am an American as well as an Italian citizen living on both sides of the world i will tell you this the violent Muslim culture has more opposing them than with them.
They only survive cause they hide like cowards among civilians that are also cowards for not turning them in.They fear reprisal against there family's or so they say.I will bet if America gets tired and starts dropping some real bombs when they fear they will die by bombing rather than terrorism they will give those few up right away.But that will never happen America is to civilised at least we all hope so.

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Your name is Lucky and you are Lucky indeed that America did not Drop a real bomb like the one that was dropped in Japan.

Drop it on what exactly Mr tough guy??

GREAT POST. The only thing I would change is "Moderate" to "Sane"

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Originally posted by CrazyPoet:

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Originally posted by Coriolanus:
I have zero problem with this endorsement. And I think you will also find that the vast majority of Americans won't, either.

Perhaps you can explain to us why Islam happens to have so many extremely violent adherents, Lucky. And from an American perspective, why shouldn't the fact bother us?

I am obligated by all that is right and good to say that there are some peaceful Muslims out there who will never cause any problems for anyone. But . . .

Over the last 2000 years, more blood has been shed in the name of religion (either for or against) than for any other single cause. Most of that bloodletting was initiated from the christian side.

Granted, things have calmed down a bit. People aren't brutally tortured and killed in Europe and elsewhere for praying the wrong way or reading the wrong sacred text, but it's not been that long since the witch trials, the inquisition, the wars between protestants and catholics (which are actually still on-going in some quarters...). Not to mention of course the treatment of jews and other non-christians as recently as the balkan wars of the last decade.

Christianity is a religion of peace. But... There are those extremists who don't accept this, and who believe that Christianity should be enforced by violence.

Islam is a religion of peace. But... There are those extremists who don't accept this, and who believe that Islam should be enforced by violence.

My question is this - when will the moderates of both faiths realize what is being done in their name and put a stop to it?

We attacked Iraq without provocation... what should WE get?

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Originally posted by Coriolanus:

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Originally posted by LuckyBreak:
....but go on destroying Islam because it's the purpose of America's "divine" existence. Suuuure.
Talk about hypocrisy.

A supposedly small sect of Islamists attacked the US and now they are getting our response. If they don't like it, too bad.

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I will bet if America gets tired and starts dropping some real bombs when they fear they will die by bombing rather than terrorism they will give those few up right away.

Ya, that worked beautifully In Iraq.

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We attacked Iraq without provocation... what should WE get?

I disagree with the premise that it was without provocation. Look through UN records, do some research . . .

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Originally posted by A Work Of Art, Inc.:

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I will bet if America gets tired and starts dropping some real bombs when they fear they will die by bombing rather than terrorism they will give those few up right away.

Ya, that worked beautifully In Iraq.

I actually tried reading this post Sheep made but I can't make anything out of it.

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Originally posted by Coriolanus:

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We attacked Iraq without provocation... what should WE get?

I disagree with the premise that it was without provocation. Look through UN records, do some research . . .

What was the provocation??
WMDs?? You found a lot of them right?
Can't believe there are still people, in 2008, who still think Iraq was justified.

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Originally posted by LuckyBreak:

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Originally posted by Coriolanus:

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We attacked Iraq without provocation... what should WE get?

I disagree with the premise that it was without provocation. Look through UN records, do some research . . .

What was the provocation??
WMDs?? You found a lot of them right?
Can't believe there are still people, in 2008, who still think Iraq was justified.

Re-read my post, Lucky. I could make the argument that the war in Iraq was a humanitarian effort given all the **** Saddam was doing to his people.

But let's not go over Iraq again. I have probably written 500 posts about it and it all never goes anywhere, especially with people who don't bother to actually read what other people say.

Why don't we discuss all the anti-semitic rhetoric in book 5 of the Koran. Why don't you tell me more about what a wonderful, peaceful, loving religion Islam is?

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Drop it on what exactly Mr tough guy??

Hey look if you want to argue and express yourself on a forum where English is the primary language then learn it. The point that was to be made was the world in general is sick and tired of what goes on in the middle east.You live to kill each other what kind of life is that. What happened to you i remember some friend of yours died. You comment on how your mother told you to stop arguing and discussing politics with your friends on the forum.Your mother sounds like a smart women take her advise. Life is too short Lucky, trouble is no one really knows how Lucky they really are.