Our liberal press is quick to play up alleged miss-conduct and rairly admit when they were wrong. They also hate to report on the positive things our solders are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. Even many of our liberal elected officials in Washington are quick to condem our military before all the facts are in and the investagation completed.

The following is a news report from today 2 June 06:



By Will Dunham


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. military probe has found U.S. forces did nothing wrong in a March raid in the town of Ishaqi in which civilians were killed, saying they "properly followed the rules of engagement," the military said on Friday.


"Allegations that the troops executed a family living in this safe house, and then hid the alleged crimes by directing an air strike, are absolutely false," Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a senior U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, said in a statement released in Baghdad.

The military until now had said one guerrilla, two women and a child were killed in the March 15 raid in the town 60 miles north of Baghdad.

But Caldwell's statement said the investigation "concluded that possibly up to nine collateral deaths resulted from this engagement but could not determine the precise number due to collapsed walls and heavy debris."

The incident was one of a handful involving civilian deaths being investigated by the U.S. military, including the deaths of two dozen civilians in the town of Haditha on November 19.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has said he is losing patience with reports of U.S. troops killing civilians. Many Iraqis believe unjustified killings by U.S. troops are common, but few have been confirmed by official investigations.

"The investigating officer ascertained that the ground force commander properly followed the rules of engagement as he necessarily escalated the use of force until the threat was eliminated. All loss of innocent life is tragic and unfortunate, and we regret such occurrences," Caldwell said.

Police in Ishaqi, 60 miles north of Baghdad, have said six adults and five children were shot dead in a U.S. military raid on a home. The U.S. military has maintained the deaths came after troops were fired upon from the house as they arrived to arrest an al Qaeda suspect.

USE OF FORCE ESCALATED 'INCREMENTALLY'

Caldwell's statement said U.S. forces conducted a raid in the vicinity of Ishaqi on March 15, capturing Ahmad Abdallah Muhammad Na'is al-Utaybi, a Kuwaiti-born, al-Qaeda cell leader, and killing Uday Faris al-Tawafi, an Iraqi involved in making roadside bombs and recruiting insurgents.

U.S. officials described a nighttime raid aimed at finding a specific guerrilla, who then fled the building but was later caught.

U.S. forces at the site began taking direct fire from the building, and the commander at the scene "appropriately reacted by incrementally escalating the use of force from small arms fire to rotary wing aviation, and then to close air support, ultimately eliminating the threat."

A defense official said an AC-130 gunship was called in to help.

"We take all reports of improper conduct seriously; we investigate them thoroughly, and hold our troops accountable for their actions," Caldwell said.

Police in Ishaqi have five children, four women and two men were shot dead by troops in a house that was then blown up.

They said all the victims were shot in the head, and that the bodies, with hands bound, were dumped in one room before the house was destroyed. Television footage showed the bodies in a morgue. Their wounds were not clear, although one infant had a gaping head wound.

In the Haditha case, the military is investigating whether U.S. Marines went on a rampage after a comrade was killed by an insurgent roadside bomb and shot dead two dozen civilians, including women and children. U.S. defense officials have said Marines could face charges including murder.

The U.S. military on Thursday directed troops in Iraq to undergo new training on the need to follow legal, moral and ethical standards on the battlefield

There is NOTHING good or positive that our troops are doing in Iraq.

That's NOT a statement against our troops.

It is just that there is no reason to stay in Iraq especially since things are getting worst every single day that we remain. (There was also no real reason (only lies) to have ever invaded Iraq in the first place).

As for Afghanistan, that was a worthy mission! We had to go there due to 9/11/01. If we had stayed there with large numbers longer, horrible creatures like Osama bin Laden would not still be alive.

And you know this how? My guess is from your Kool Aid play book, but I could be wrong.

How about I buy you a cigar and bring you over to the VFW hall, buy you a beer and you can explain it to all of us.

When do you want to go?

Sure cigarmanron, Saddam was never any threat. It was all a lie. He never supported terrorists. Our national security interests were immune to mid-East dictators. And you're a very bright guy. Now go put your head back in the sand...

That's NOT a statement against ostriches.

Basicly I am against a military draft. However, it would be nice to see folks like cigarmanron have to do a tour in Iraq....

That is correct ... Saddam was never a threat to the USA or any other country!

We had him "contained" ever since the first gulf war. He could shout his mouth off, but he was powerless to do anything ... a paper tiger.

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Originally posted by cigarmanron:
That is correct ... Saddam was never a threat to the USA or any other country!

We had him "contained" ever since the first gulf war. He could shout his mouth off, but he was powerless to do anything ... a paper tiger.

Tell it to the thousands of Iraqis he raped, killed and ruled over with an iron fist of fear and intimidation. My guess is you've never been there. So please don't come off like you know what the hell you're talking about. Now sit down shutup and enjoy a good cigar.

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Originally posted by cigarmanron:
There is NOTHING good or positive that our troops are doing in Iraq.

That's NOT a statement against our troops.

It is just that there is no reason to stay in Iraq especially since things are getting worst every single day that we remain. (There was also no real reason (only lies) to have ever invaded Iraq in the first place).

As for Afghanistan, that was a worthy mission! We had to go there due to 9/11/01. If we had stayed there with large numbers longer, horrible creatures like Osama bin Laden would not still be alive.

So was Clinton completely wrong for his war in Yugoslavia?

cigarmanron:

"Saddam was never a threat to the USA or any other country!"

What about his free life insurance program by which he paid tens of thousands of dollars to each family who served up a "suicide" murder bomber. Might that be considered a threat against Israel? Might that be considered aiding international terrorism?

And don't forget when he invaded Kuwait. Oh wait, that never happened according to cigarmoron.

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Originally posted by Raven35031:
Our liberal press is quick to play up alleged miss-conduct and rairly admit when they were wrong.

Wake up and smell the coffee Raven.

The situation there is not good and no amount of candy coating can change that.

Just because you can toast marshmallows on burning collateral damage does that mean that the liberal press is wrong for not reporting that as good side.

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Originally posted by Raven35031:
However, it would be nice to see folks like cigarmanron have to do a tour in Iraq....

Why? Could u pleze elaborate?

You are tripping yourself up with your obtuse doubled edged comebacks my friend.

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Originally posted by mikeyd501:
And don't forget when he invaded Kuwait. Oh wait, that never happened according to cigarmoron.

How much money did Kuwait & Saudi Arabia pay the liberators to come in, clean up & get out?
The statute of limitations on this deal ran out what ten years ago?

So now the liberators came in without getting out. The payment is not in cash but in car bombs, beheadings, kidnappings, hundreds of thousands of new recruits and hundreds of millions watching this mess on Algeciras (SIC).

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Originally posted by hydragoat:

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Originally posted by mikeyd501:
And don't forget when he invaded Kuwait. Oh wait, that never happened according to cigarmoron.

How much money did Kuwait & Saudi Arabia pay the liberators to come in, clean up & get out?
The statute of limitations on this deal ran out what ten years ago?

So now the liberators came in without getting out. The payment is not in cash but in car bombs, beheadings, kidnappings, hundreds of thousands of new recruits and hundreds of millions watching this mess on Algeciras (SIC).

Hmmm, let's see. First, if you can recall my tunnel vision friend I think it was cigarnoron who said:"That is correct ... Saddam was never a threat to the USA or any other country!"

ANY OTHER COUNTRY!

Me thinks you missed that one in your rush to post your lies and propaganda.

What color is your card? Your commie card that you have to show at the door before they let you in for the meetings where you get your information that is.

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Originally posted by mikeyd501:
ANY OTHER COUNTRY!

Please, permit me to correct you and to give you a brief history lesson.

Kuwait is actually a part of Iraq that was sliced away from it by the anglo-american colonial/imperial interference many years ago.


But then again were Taiwan, Kong Kong & Macau EVER a part of China?
What about California & Texas? Were they EVER parts of Mexico?

hydragoat:

"Please, permit me to correct you and to give you a brief history lesson.

Kuwait is actually a part of Iraq that was sliced away from it by the anglo-american colonial/imperial interference many years ago."

Hey Mike D, no sense talking communist party line with this guy. He's into Saddam's party line--make that party hook, line, and sinker.

Another fish in a barrel.

The fact is that Africa and Asia are full of borders that are not natural borders.

Natural borders are natural geopgraphic barriers (great and small) that isolated groups of people from each other.
From this evolved the nation-states that differed in language, religion, culture and race.

Who was it that said "My map of Africa is made in Europe"? Bismark?
What he meant was that Germany only needed to conquer France, Belguim, England, Spain, Portugal & Holland to get their colonies all over the world including Africa.

What was a fact was the European colonialism powers and American imperialism were setting up borders, trade routes and puppet governments all over without regard for the welfare of the "filthy. indolent, pagan and vile natives".
The only regard was the abject exploitation of resources including gold, gems, ivory, slaves and now crude oil.

And look at this team.
Raven who knows what he is talking about but tries to make the best of bad situation.
Cigoz, basically a nice guy who expcted to see Iraqis kissing Americans and is now surprised that they are not. Maybe some secret cams in some brothels would do the trick.
Mikey, who's feeble attempts at real discussion are always funny but not for the reasons he had hoped for.


The most pathetic thing was that stupid name "SHOCK & AWE". As if the Iraqis were a bunch of politicians, bureaucrats & arms dealers gawking at military weapons show.

What in hell made the stupid politicians think that people would be "AWED" by having their children torn to pieces.

Were you "AWED" by the Oklahoma bombing, by the WTC crashing down, by the NOLA flooding?

hydragoat:

"Cigoz, basically a nice guy who expcted to see Iraqis kissing Americans and is now surprised that they are not. Maybe some secret cams in some brothels would do the trick."

You got me all figured out. And how'd you know about my brothel plan? (please don't explain) Wow! I feel like I'm naked. Saw through all my layers of discussion.

As for "shock and awe", that's exactly what happened to Saddam's conventional army. And that's exactly when and what the expression refers to. The problem was, as you MIGHT have stated, "shock and awe" worked TOO well--the army disintigrated without much of a fight and there was nothing left to surrender. Left guys like you rooting for the terrorists and making cracks that the only good that came of liberating the country was that we can toast marshmallows over accidentally killed civilians. Quite low of you. Anti-imperialist sentiments notwithstanding.

If you feel you must support the Insurgents, please feel free to do so. Thats what Free Speech is all about. But I do think, that you should try to remember that Leadership can only make decisions base on what is know at the time. There is no Monday morning Quarterbacking in real world, sorry but thats a fact.

Also you must remember many will look at you like they would Kerry, Jane Fonda, Chamberlin, and the rest of the Bedwetters...

Bones

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Originally posted by hydragoat:

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Originally posted by mikeyd501:
ANY OTHER COUNTRY!

Please, permit me to correct you and to give you a brief history lesson.

Kuwait is actually a part of Iraq that was sliced away from it by the anglo-american colonial/imperial interference many years ago.

Sorry I won't be taking any history lessons from you my friend. But let me give you a grammar lesson.

Kuwait WAS part of Iraq. You sir are living in the past (second grade) and need to move on. Kuwait is NO LONGER part of Iraq just like California and Texas are NO longer part of Mexico. Therefore, ergo they were attacked by Iraq. There’s your history lesson Melvin!

Please stop your feeble attempts at trying to impress us with your low IQ. It is quite obvious that I have a far superior intellect than you could ever hope to have.

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