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let me fix that, you are far more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than you are an intruder http://www.nationalmemo.com/th...ith-your-gun-is-you/ Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -Barry Goldwater | |||
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if you cant quantify it, it doesnt belong in the discussion. its speculative at best and a complete non factor at worst and if it cant be proven to have merit in a quantifiable way, then it shouldnt be asserted that it has merit. Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -Barry Goldwater | |||
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I really hope this is not what you are learning in college... Please quanitfiy what any new gun measure or idea that you support will do... didn't think so. What you meant to say was "i hate that point because it kills mine"... “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” Winston Churchill | |||
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Of course it belongs in the conversation. Much like how the unmeasurable "silent majority" was relevant to the election. Oh wait, that was BS. Never mind. Proceed with the debate. | |||
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Did you even bother to read the article you cited?  The 2011 study mentioned (whose results you quote) is described as obscure, with "no impact factor" and takes a "very narrow focus". | |||
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what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -Barry Goldwater | |||
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Without evidence does not equate to unquantifiable young man... Wow. “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” Winston Churchill | |||
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That article showed interesting data. What was it about 1992 that saw the height of gun violence? And isn't the decline after that a good sign? As for the downward slide of motor vehicle deaths, wouldn't car technology and increased laws re MADD etc account for some of that? *note my new avatar shows true homeland security Coffee, cigars, and single malt scotch. www.rocketfuelcoffee.com | |||
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http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2848468/ Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -Barry Goldwater | |||
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the increase was drug related and had to do with the crack epidemic in the late 80s and early 90s. as for car deaths, a crack down on drunken driving has to do with that, but there was an increase in deaths from non-alcohol related causes (im thinking driving distracted relating from cell phone use) that cancelled out the drop in drunk driving deaths. Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -Barry Goldwater | |||
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then support your claim, bring some evidence to the table. Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -Barry Goldwater | |||
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The aging of the population has been an important factor in the reduction in vehicle deaths and criminal behavior. Out of one, many. | |||
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You didn't deny the claim just the quantification... You need articles about robbers being shot at ????????? “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.” Winston Churchill | |||
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i asserted the claim didnt have merit without quantification no, but not being able to show that the merits of having a gun in your house outweigh the risks of having a gun in your house mean that the claim carries no weight. Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them. -Barry Goldwater | |||
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Just as you cannot quantify the number of times the mere presence of a firearm has prevented death/injury/crime in the home or to the person you cannot quantify how many lives will be saved through the assault weapons ban proposal. You cannot quantify the value of the absence of something. By your argument, both would be moot. | |||
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