By the way rikaguilera, were you sparing with me or just trying to score points with Dee to see if you can get some?

Having watched the ad it seems to be devoid of anything of any substance. Its anti gay, anti abortion and anti immigration.

Its sounds just a rant form a christian fundamentalist and you should be greatful that religion is seperated from the state. It also convieniently forgets a core belief of Christianity and that is tolerance. Isnt it said "do not judge others lest you be judged yoursleves" but I guess its just focusing on cheap soundbites that can hook the people with short attention spans and are not very bright. We have a comic masquerading as a daily news paper that comes out with headlines like these.

The only thing of any merit on that ad is the question of immigration all the rest have no basis in legality, just moral. In my opinion speaking from an English perspective as I dont know of the American situation is that it has to stop. In Britain there is a big problem with illegal immigration and the country isnt coping with it. With an ever increasing population, services and infrastructure just isnt keeping up. We have huge tailbacks on the roads, packed trains and buses, large waiting lists in the health service, housing crisis with hugely inflated prices etc.

Very well said. The thing I liked about the ad is that it says out loud what most people think and feel but are afraid to say. Kinda like when I was growing up and people would wisper " did you know that Betty has the big C" instead of just saying cancer. Like by not saying the word it would some how make it better.

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Originally posted by mikeyd501:
Do you have any proof or is this just your opinion? I know, I know you have the right to state your opinion but I hate it when people state things like it's factual material when it's not. Show me the data and I'll eat my words.

Last I checked, there was no data

I thought so! Just your opinion.

Recent polls by the National Opinion Research Center reveal that 13 percent of whites in America have anti-Semitic beliefs; another 25 percent are racist.

A 1993 study commissioned by the National Science Foundation found that racist attitudes and stereotypes are rampant among whites, regardless of political affiliation. For example, 51 percent of the respondents who identified themselves as conservatives said they think African Americans are "aggressive and violent." For those who identified themselves as liberals, 45 percent felt that blacks had those attributes. Furthermore, blacks are "irresponsible" according to 21 percent of the conservatives and 17 percent of the liberals studied.

Department of Justice statistics show that violence against Native Americans has risen, while violence against other minority groups has fallen. During a five-year period, 1993 to 1998, violent crime against African-Americans fell 38%, against Whites, 29%, and against Latinos, 45%. But violence against Native Americans in 1998 was about the same as it was in 1993. In 1998, 110 Native Americans out of 1,000 were victims of violence.

Well somebody besides me can find data. Which does not change the fact that Extensioncord’s post was based on his opinion not any facts that he collected or found.

Now let's take a look at what Flashman has shown us. This study says stereotypes are rampant among whites. Why? If we look at the data it shows blacks comprise 13% of the population in the U.S. and 49% of the prison population. I would say that perception may be reality in this case. As far as irresponsible how do you explain the disproportionate number of single black mothers. Is that not irresponsible?

I know that some here will call this racists. It's not. It's numbers and percentages. The fact is if it were whites or Asians the numbers would be the numbers and if the poll were taken and 49% of the prison population were Asians the answer given would be that Asians were more aggressive and violent.

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Originally posted by flashman:
Department of Justice statistics show that violence against Native Americans has risen, while violence against other minority groups has fallen. During a five-year period, 1993 to 1998, violent crime against African-Americans fell 38%, against Whites, 29%, and against Latinos, 45%. But violence against Native Americans in 1998 was about the same as it was in 1993. In 1998, 110 Native Americans out of 1,000 were victims of violence.

Was that native against native violence? It's like those stats that show more children are killed by guns. They never tell you those "children" include gangbangers up to the age of 18 involved in gang on gang crimes!

Disparities in sentencing and incarceration between whites and blacks have grown to such an extent that African-American men comprise 50% of the US prison population despite representing just six percent of the US population as a whole.(Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin: Prison and Jail Inmates at Midyear 2000, March 2001; NCJ 185989)

Almost 73% of motorists stopped and searched on a major New Jersey highway in 1999 were African-Americans, even though African-Americans made up less than 18% of traffic violators.

Media coverage of the February 2001 Mardis Gras violence in Seattle, Washington mainly showed Black perpetrators, even though Seattle police said that White perpetrators significantly outnumbered Black perpetrators. This has created racial tension in a city known for its tolerance of diversity. (Washington Post, Tuesday, March 13, 2001; Page A02)

In March 2001, an African-American Washington, DC police officer was beaten by White DC police officers who mistook him for a carjacking suspect. The African-American officer witnessed the carjacking and called in the report, including a description of the carjacker and the stolen car. After chasing and cornering the suspect, he was pulled from his car by the White officers, had his legs kicked out from beneath him and was hit on the head with a weapon.(Washington Post, Sunday, March 11, 2001; Page C05)

One of the biggest issues concerning racism in the United States is the issue of "racial profiling." This is defined as being stopped and/or searched and harassed by law enforcement solely on the basis of ethnicity, and not because of behavior or any reported crime. The last case cited above was clearly an issue of racial profiling. Even though the car the African-American police officer was driving did not match the description of the stolen vehicle, and the officer had already been identified as a police officer, the White officers involved assumed he was the suspect, simply because he was African-American.

A 1994 National Crime Victimization Survey by the U.S. Department of Justice revealed that the number of young African-American males who become the victim of violent crimes has increased substantially in a single decade. According to the report, in 1973, African-American males aged 20 to 24 made up 10% of violent crime victims in the same age group. By 1992, they made up 80%.

Statistics repeatedly show that African-American males are more likely to be the victim of violent crimes, rather than the perpetrator. The media, however, has not altered their programming to reflect a more accurate portrayal of African-American males. This continues to perpetuate the image of criminals as young African-American males, despite knowledge to the contrary.

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Originally posted by mikeyd501:

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Originally posted by flashman:
Department of Justice statistics show that violence against Native Americans has risen, while violence against other minority groups has fallen. During a five-year period, 1993 to 1998, violent crime against African-Americans fell 38%, against Whites, 29%, and against Latinos, 45%. But violence against Native Americans in 1998 was about the same as it was in 1993. In 1998, 110 Native Americans out of 1,000 were victims of violence.

Was that native against native violence? It's like those stats that show more children are killed by guns. They never tell you those "children" include gangbangers up to the age of 18 involved in gang on gang crimes!

A study released over the weekend by the Justice Department says that American Indians are the victims of violent crime at a rate of more than twice the national average. The study also found that Native Americans, unlike other groups, are most likely to be the victims of violent crimes committed by members of a race other than their own.
In fact, over 60% of violent crimes against American Indians are committed by whites, while 29% of the offenders were other Indians, and 10% were black. By contrast, other studies have shown that 69% of those committing violent crimes against whites are also white, and that 81% of those committing violent crimes against blacks are also black.

"By the way rikaguilera, were you sparing with me or just trying to score points with Dee to see if you can get some?"

Now that is just as silly as you calling me "Mr. Smarty pants".. I see you are not going to attempt at intelligent banter. You would not want to "spar", as you stated.. I posed some questions, based on the direction that the (your) thread took. I was hoping to talk on these subject matters, but I see it is not for you. No, I am not trying to make any points with DeeDee, or anybody else on this forum. I really don't care what point tally I may have with others on a computer chat site... Maybe that is a line of importantce to you, but it is not my goal.
Perhaps if you feel you would like to have some intelligent banter, then I will be around from time to time.

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Originally posted by rikaguilera:

Actually your subject topic was "Political Ads".. Maybe the ADD is more localized than you think....


Now that is just as silly as you calling me "Mr. Smarty pants".. I see you are not going to attempt at intelligent banter. You would not want to "spar", as you stated.. I posed some questions, based on the direction that the (your) thread took. I was hoping to talk on these subject matters, but I see it is not for you.

Guess you can dish it out but you can't take it. Not a good way to score points with the chicks or dudes if that's the way your gate swings.

As far as the direction the thread was going, I gave you the road map. It's not my fault you can't follow directions.

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Originally posted by flashman:

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Originally posted by mikeyd501:

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Originally posted by flashman:
Department of Justice statistics show that violence against Native Americans has risen, while violence against other minority groups has fallen. During a five-year period, 1993 to 1998, violent crime against African-Americans fell 38%, against Whites, 29%, and against Latinos, 45%. But violence against Native Americans in 1998 was about the same as it was in 1993. In 1998, 110 Native Americans out of 1,000 were victims of violence.

Was that native against native violence? It's like those stats that show more children are killed by guns. They never tell you those "children" include gangbangers up to the age of 18 involved in gang on gang crimes!

A study released over the weekend by the Justice Department says that American Indians are the victims of violent crime at a rate of more than twice the national average. The study also found that Native Americans, unlike other groups, are most likely to be the victims of violent crimes committed by members of a race other than their own.
In fact, over 60% of violent crimes against American Indians are committed by whites, while 29% of the offenders were other Indians, and 10% were black. By contrast, other studies have shown that 69% of those committing violent crimes against whites are also white, and that 81% of those committing violent crimes against blacks are also black.

Nice info. I live in a part of the country where we have a big Indian commuinty and it seems to be mostly indian on indian crime.

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Originally posted by flashman:
Disparities in sentencing and incarceration between whites and blacks have grown to such an extent that African-American men comprise 50% of the US prison population despite representing just six percent of the US population as a whole.(Bureau of Justice Statistics Bulletin: Prison and Jail Inmates at Midyear 2000, March 2001; NCJ 185989)

Almost 73% of motorists stopped and searched on a major New Jersey highway in 1999 were African-Americans, even though African-Americans made up less than 18% of traffic violators.

Media coverage of the February 2001 Mardis Gras violence in Seattle, Washington mainly showed Black perpetrators, even though Seattle police said that White perpetrators significantly outnumbered Black perpetrators. This has created racial tension in a city known for its tolerance of diversity. (Washington Post, Tuesday, March 13, 2001; Page A02)

In March 2001, an African-American Washington, DC police officer was beaten by White DC police officers who mistook him for a carjacking suspect. The African-American officer witnessed the carjacking and called in the report, including a description of the carjacker and the stolen car. After chasing and cornering the suspect, he was pulled from his car by the White officers, had his legs kicked out from beneath him and was hit on the head with a weapon.(Washington Post, Sunday, March 11, 2001; Page C05)

One of the biggest issues concerning racism in the United States is the issue of "racial profiling." This is defined as being stopped and/or searched and harassed by law enforcement solely on the basis of ethnicity, and not because of behavior or any reported crime. The last case cited above was clearly an issue of racial profiling. Even though the car the African-American police officer was driving did not match the description of the stolen vehicle, and the officer had already been identified as a police officer, the White officers involved assumed he was the suspect, simply because he was African-American.

A 1994 National Crime Victimization Survey by the U.S. Department of Justice revealed that the number of young African-American males who become the victim of violent crimes has increased substantially in a single decade. According to the report, in 1973, African-American males aged 20 to 24 made up 10% of violent crime victims in the same age group. By 1992, they made up 80%.

Statistics repeatedly show that African-American males are more likely to be the victim of violent crimes, rather than the perpetrator. The media, however, has not altered their programming to reflect a more accurate portrayal of African-American males. This continues to perpetuate the image of criminals as young African-American males, despite knowledge to the contrary.

It's sad but true. Sometimes people go to jail who are innocent of the crime that they are charged with. Sometimes they are innocent of any crime. It's not perfect but it's the best system on the planet so far.

It does not change the facts that I posted other than to point out that some from all races may be innocent of the crimes that they are in for.

Don't be fooled by that report. Black criminals are most likley the cause for the black victims.

If you walk alone at night in a high crime area and you're awareness level goes up, are you a racists?

WOW


Orlando Set to Shatter Homicide Record
Jul 22 10:57 AM US/Eastern

So far this year Orlando has recorded 33 homicides _ just three short of a 1982 record, and with almost half the year left. Continued killings at this pace could put the city made famous by Mickey Mouse uncomfortably among the top 15 for the highest per-capita murder rate in the country.

The first happened just after the New Year turned. An 18-year-old man lay bullet-riddled and dead on his street, apparently mistaken for another youth in a feud with two gun-wielding 20-somethings. Later that day it was a transient who bled to death near a homeless camp from a stab wound in the leg. Then a 22-year-old inexplicably shot in the back of the head, a 26-year-old gunned down in a drive-by and a 6- year-old apparent child abuse victim who died of severe head injuries.

"People can attribute crime to failing schools, failing families. There's a bunch of sociological things you can put your finger on," said police Sgt. Rich Ring, head of Orlando's homicide investigation unit. "All we can do as police is say the biggest things are drugs and robbery, and we're going to take action to attack those issues."

Orlando certainly isn't the only area with rising bloodshed. FBI figures from 2005 released last month showed a 2.5 percent increase in violent crime nationwide _ the largest since 1991 _ and a 4.8 percent rise in murders.

Jacksonville, Florida's murder capitol for 12 of the past 17 years, is on track to hit more than 130 homicides for the first time in more than a decade. Washington, D.C., police this month called a crime emergency amid rising incidences of robberies and armed assaults, and Detroit is on pace to hit 460 slayings, a 22 percent increase over 2005.

But this is new territory for this quickly growing tourism mecca, which ranked 107th in per-capita murders in 2004, the most recent FBI rankings available.

Besides 1982, when gang wars erupted and the crack cocaine trade boomed, and this year, Orlando has hit the 30-murder mark only once (in 1990, with exactly 30), FBI figures from 1975-2005 show. Numbers have fluctuated each year over the past two decades, typically ending in the teens or mid-20s. There had been no clear trends up or down despite a 66 percent population increase since 1980.

Most of the murders were committed with handguns. Most of the victims were black males in their teens and 20s who were involved with drugs or got killed by someone who was, Ring said.

The crimes have been sprinkled around the city, but mostly in neighborhoods west of downtown _ and away from attractions like Walt Disney World, Universal Studios and SeaWorld that draw tens of millions of visitors each year.

Police Chief Mike McCoy stressed that no tourists had been killed, and said most law-abiding citizens aren't at risk.

"If you're not selling drugs, if you don't house people selling drugs, if you don't have the proceeds of drugs in your home, then your chances of being involved in a homicide are pretty slim," he said.

Despite the rise, there is no overwhelming sense of fear around town, and no evidence vacationers are avoiding the area. Downtown bars and clubs still crowd at night, families continue to arrive in droves at theme parks and joggers and dog-walkers still make their way around city parks after dark.

Many in the hardest hit areas say they weren't even aware of the increase.

"I've been here most of my life," said Mike Spalding, 40. "It's unsafe sometimes. It's about the same."

Sierra Cunningham, a 17-year-old toting her 1-year-old daughter to the bus stop, said she'd heard killings were on the rise, but didn't know of anyone taking extra safety precautions.

"Around my neighborhood it's OK," she said. "Just a lot of people hanging out drinking all the time."

At the current pace the city could have 60 murders by year's end _ still well below the 300 to 500 the largest places can reach. But Orlando has only 215,000 people compared with their several million.

Even before the spike, Orlando planned a new public safety initiative to put 75 additional officers on the street, add two detectives to the violent crime unit and create new police substations.

Mayor Buddy Dyer said he's confident law enforcement has a handle on the situation, noting that arrests have been made in most cases.

"We want to work on educating the public in terms of changing the culture of silence that exists in some of our neighborhoods, and we want to look at some of the policing practices that other cities that have experienced an increased in homicides have used effectively," Dyer said.

Here's some good advice.

Chris Rock

"Guess you can dish it out but you can't take it. Not a good way to score points with the chicks or dudes if that's the way your gate swings."

Are you serious.?? First off, what exactly am I "dishing out"? I asked a few questions that were in theme to the threads progress. That is "dishing it out".?? What points am I trying to score? Yes, your little attempt at an insult is worthy of a third grader, but c,mon man. What the Hell are you talking about?
Look "mikey", I asked a few questions based on things you posted. I am sorry if I gave you too much credit, as I thought you might be able to intelligently talk about said points of conversation. Not everybody here is out to get you, as your replies seem to be on the defensive.
Again, I apoligize for trying to have an intelligent conversation. I will know next time as to who actually holds the mental stability, and or ability, required to actually converse with.
Sad little world you live in...

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Originally posted by mikeyd501:

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Originally posted by flashman:
A study released over the weekend by the Justice Department says that American Indians are the victims of violent crime at a rate of more than twice the national average. The study also found that Native Americans, unlike other groups, are most likely to be the victims of violent crimes committed by members of a race other than their own.
In fact, over 60% of violent crimes against American Indians are committed by whites, while 29% of the offenders were other Indians, and 10% were black. By contrast, other studies have shown that 69% of those committing violent crimes against whites are also white, and that 81% of those committing violent crimes against blacks are also black.

Nice info. I live in a part of the country where we have a big Indian commuinty and it seems to be mostly indian on indian crime.

For crying out loud Mike, this is from the US Departement of Justice !

And, Mike, as you may know, what "seems" and what "is" are often two different things. Even for you...

You wrote, a little earlier, "Show me the data and I'll eat my words." Well, this is one instance where you should. A little humility won't kill you.