"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 5955 | Location: Cincinnati | Registered: May 02, 2002
quote:Originally posted by O Man: Just keep him away from your daughters, wives and girlfriends...
They are old enough to make their own choices. One should not & cannot prevent people from exercising their own freedom.
As for politically correct "sexual morality" issues. Some people have prudish, puritanical and retrograde attititudes towards sex. Ideas like that belong in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Iran.
QM Quality does not occur by chance. It is the result of intelligent activities.
Posts: 7770 | Location: Cigar land | Registered: March 10, 2003
I agree Q. . .although i wasn't the biggest fan of Clinton's politics this issue of 'sex' is BS. So the dude likes to fool around, who doesn't. Sure i think it sucks he cheated on his wife, but about half the world does that.
Posts: 1540 | Location: Boston | Registered: February 28, 2003
Sheesh...what happened to people's sense of humour...next thing you know we can't make "Hugh Grant buying a new Hummer" jokes...I may never attempt humor again...
I'm fed up with Bill Clinton and his sanctimonious apologists...8 years was enough of this guy and his slickness, no matter what his intelligence and charisma were...the guy underachieved relative to his talents, that is his legacy....
I realize that some of us have a more sophisticated, mature and permissive attitude toward these things than others do.
I don't giggle when I see a tit. I am not offended when I find out that a coworker is boffing another coworker. I am not surprised.
People do what they can to amuse themselves in this short life that we lead.
Did you see the movie "Chocolate"? If not rent it. It is with Johnny Depp and Juliette Binoche where the mayor of a French town is tyranically puritannical with a "don't do this and don't do that" way of thought. The chocolate maker (Binoche's character) is ostracized because she is making things that give pleasure and because she is a single mother. The visiting boat travelliing Gypsy (Depp's character) is ostracized because he is a gypsy (and they like to dance and party both forbidden activities in this French village). Now this is an American film set in France. It is a parable about the path to happiness in view of repression and liberty. Finally the town priest breaks the cycle of repression and also helps the mayor deal with the pain of having lost his wife (she had left him for parts unknown).
What is my point. Aren't some of you anti-sex people kind of young to be that way???? Is that what religion and politics are doing to you????
QM Quality does not occur by chance. It is the result of intelligent activities.
Posts: 7770 | Location: Cigar land | Registered: March 10, 2003
If you guys love Slick Willie so much then you keep him! As far as religion, politics and morality...I see no problem with it.
"Happiness? A good cigar, a good meal, a good cigar and a good woman - or a bad woman; it depends on how much happiness you can handle." George F. Burns
Posts: 121 | Location: CA, USA | Registered: July 28, 2004
quote:I realize that some of us have a more sophisticated, mature and permissive attitude toward these things than others do.
Perjury is OK in Canada?
Mike
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 5955 | Location: Cincinnati | Registered: May 02, 2002
As for politically correct "sexual morality" issues. Some people have prudish, puritanical and retrograde attititudes towards sex. Ideas like that belong in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or Iran.
I don't think having sex with a cigar or in the Oval Office is really the problem most people have (ah, maybe some people). I really have 2 problems with this:
1) Cheating on your wife 2) Lying about it afterwards IN A COURT OF LAW.
I'm pretty sure neither of these fall within your defintion of "prudish, puritanical and retrograde attititudes towards sex". If they do, then you have some misconseptions about what sex is .
While I think #1 is just bad (and don't say it's OK because others do it, that's just the world's worst argument), I think #2 is VERY tricky. Perhpas it's not fair of me, but I think those that are in positions of power need to be held to a higher standard, if you want the "privledges" that come with power, be prepared for the down-side as well.
I think it is horrible that a sitting president of the US would break the law in such a serious manner (serious compared to, say speeding, obviously less serious than murder). I'm pretty sure that when you're sworn in you promise to "uphold the laws of the US" or something of that nature. Hard to uphold them when you're breaking them.
Again, the issue is not sex, the issue is the things that went on around it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I win because you lose. You lose because you're a loser. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Posts: 275 | Location: Bakersfield, CA | Registered: May 24, 2002
"I realize that some of us have a more sophisticated, mature and permissive attitude toward these things than others do."
Wow, talk about holier than thou attitude. It's not I disagree or in my view no... it's my way of seeing things is more mature and permissive. Wow! I guess that's why you like clinton so much. You're both equally arrogant and ego-driven.
I don't think anyone cares about his sexual likes/dislikes... it's the issue of honesty, ethics, and upholding certain values and morals we expect our leader to display and uphold.
Again, you're too busy making personal comments to see the point in others arguments..
"There are five things, above all else, that make life worth living: a good relationship with God, a good woman, good health, good friends, and a good cigar." -- Prince Sined Yar Maharg
I love you man! The reason President Clinton lied about his affair to the country, is the same reason you or I would lie about the affair. Fear of getting your balls cut off while you sleep. I would be 10 times more afraid of Hilary than of anything anybody else could do to me! And if anyone thinks that he was the first, or last, President to take a little "piece" on the oval office desk, you are an ignorant, ugly, virgin male. Just my opinion, I could be wrong, NOT!
Posts: 187 | Location: Akron Ohio USA | Registered: October 22, 2003
He was not the first President to have action on the side. But he was the first to get caught hoggin...and every guy should be ashamed of that, when called on it.
Q Mike...I did see Chocalat...liked it very much...saw it again...it has nothing do with Bill Clinton nor my joke...maybe you didn't think it was funny...c'mon, you're a good guy, lighten up...after all, weren't you the guy with the misyongist rant a few months ago? I stand with the right, but I pick on them too...why can't you pick on the left?
Ronald Reagan would never take his jacket off in the Oval Office, and Clinton is shoving cigars up some fatty's slit there. That's a far drop.
Mike
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - Abraham Lincoln
Posts: 5955 | Location: Cincinnati | Registered: May 02, 2002
quote:Originally posted by James B: I love you man! The reason President Clinton lied about his affair to the country, is the same reason you or I would lie about the affair. Fear of getting your balls cut off while you sleep. I would be 10 times more afraid of Hilary than of anything anybody else could do to me! And if anyone thinks that he was the first, or last, President to take a little "piece" on the oval office desk, you are an ignorant, ugly, virgin male. Just my opinion, I could be wrong, NOT!
Lie about an afair...sure, if you're immoral enough to cheat in the first place I would EXPECT you to lie about it. To do it IN A COURT OF LAW is taking it to another level.
James, why don't you go out and commit murder. Lot's of other people have done it so it must be OK!
JFK did it so it's OK for Clinton to do it (yes, I know you didn't use JFK as a specific example, but I'm using him) Do you really argue that way? You aren't going to win an argument with anyone who has a grade-school level education or better with arguments like that.
I also don't understand why, if someone thinks president's don't have a little on the side that makes the person ugly or ignorant or a virgin. Niave? Sure, that I'll buy. However I would like to point out that you have no ability to put together a sensible argument and resort to name calling. I expect more from the posters here.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I win because you lose. You lose because you're a loser. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Posts: 275 | Location: Bakersfield, CA | Registered: May 24, 2002
I realize that some of us have a more sophisticated, mature and permissive attitude toward these things than others do.
It's more sophisticated to cheat on your wife, demean and humiliate her? It's more mature to them lie about it to a judge under oath? Either you or your country are f*#!ed up pal!
quote:What is my point. Aren't some of you anti-sex people kind of young to be that way???? Is that what religion and politics are doing to you????
No, we just aren't as sophisticated as you. I guess when I got married and vowed to my wife to be faithful I meant it. Had I known I would unsophisticated by doing that....Wait, I just remembered. I'm not French. So my word, my pledge actually means something.
I'll just stay unsophisticated and teach my kids to be the same.
Mike D
I hate violence! I hate it so much I am willing to kill anyone who tries to use it against me. -- Mike Waidelich
