Cause of the higher cigar prices in cuba, a german firm started to produce "cuban" private stock cigars in spain.
In this moment, there are 2 formats available: Piramids and Robusto.
They are in medium strenght (similar HdM), come in a neutral SLB. Filler Vuelta Abajo, Wrapper Partido Region. Nice cigars. Rolled at the canarian islands. Prices below the normal german standard prices, 4.8 EUR (Robusto) and 5.60 EUR (Piramid).

If you need more informations, drop me a mail.

I get what I think are Dutch made Cubans imported by Old Port. But these are machine made petit coronas.

Canary Island labour is cheaper than Cuban labour?????

There was a reference to the Cuban dance troupe that defected en masse the other day...some were still in Germany as part of the show playing there. Apparently the director of the show is a German woman who has since been expelled from Cuba. The dancers who were in Germany went to Vegas to be with the rest of the group.

Oh...you mean cigars...

I usually find that the phrase "you get what you pay for" applies to cigars.

Do they come with plastic tips???

Good joke But - no. Longfiller Puros.
Photo you can see in the Club Havana Forum (UK). May be there are appears some reviews, because any guys there get a free sample cigar...

smoked a Piramide for myself. Full bodied and medium strenght, but a bit too young. I will store my box for 1-2 years and will try than again.

Picture links: (if not allowed - please delete)
The new cubans
The Piramides SLB

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@Mike
The problem is, if you want to roll them in Cuba, the cuban goverment want to have 51% of your firm. And of all income.
That's why Davidoff left Cuba

It's probably cheaper in spain, because there are the lowest wages in Europe for cigar rollers, and the tobacco import taxes are lower too...

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Originally posted by dagobert:
Cause of the higher cigar prices in cuba, a german firm started to produce "cuban" private stock cigars in spain.
In this moment, there are 2 formats available: Piramids and Robusto.
They are in medium strenght (similar HdM), come in a neutral SLB. Filler Vuelta Abajo, Wrapper Partido Region. Nice cigars. Rolled at the canarian islands. Prices below the normal german standard prices, 4.8 EUR (Robusto) and 5.60 EUR (Piramid).

If you need more informations, drop me a mail.

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Let me get this straight, so what you are saying is that these cigars are REAL CUBAN smokes?

DOC

Yes; the only "non cuban" is, that she will be rolled outside of cuba. But the tobacco is cuban, the taste is cuban, and the sick period is cuban
As someone told me, they even have a cuban (exile) catador in the factory...

A Review about the Robusto from GB:

Holger sent me one of these as a freebie with a sampler I bought, I thought I'd repay the favor and smoke it for my first review.
Nice solid constructions, no flaking and the cap was well fixed. Dark brown with a few darker oily patches and a few thick veins.
"She who must be obeyed" had gone out for the night and I had Pink Floyd on with the lights down and a very generous measue of Cubita Coffe Liquer.

Pre light draw was woody with a slight hint of spice with a nice airy draw.
I warmed the foot with a match and lit the cigar.
The first draw was very light but not tight with hints of honey and nuts. The smoke was very smooth and as the first third continued these flavors increased in potency. They were really reminding me of a CAO Cameroon.
The ash was an even dark grey and firm enough to not fall until half the cigar was gone.
As the cigar moved in to the second third the flavor of nuts was replaced by a rich coffee and leather taste. I haven't been smoking cigars for very log but I could really taste the cigar pick up a gear and deliver that rich Cuban punch. The mellow nutty flavor, that always reminds me of a lot cigars from the Dominican Republic, was left behind and replaced with something earthy that you could really get your teeth into.
As second third built on these flavors, I was really enjoying this cigar, it was very approachable and full of flavor.
By the final third there were beginning to be a few hints of bitterness coming throuhg, but the rich Cuban tobacco flavor was still holding its own and I had to smoke it down to the last inch before it became to hot for me to continue. I don't think there was any hint of ammonia of harshness throughout the cigar.
I'm really impressed with this cigar, it wasn't what I was expecting from such a reasonably priced cigar.
These are a real treasure and I will be purchasing some as soon as I have smoked enough to make room in my humidor.

After smoking a few of the Connies that XXXX generously sent me I am beginning to learn that quality and price don't always have to go together.

(Thanks to James Wilson from the "Big Isle")

sounds like a really knowledgeable expert with a very talented palatte - or maybe not a good judge, because the taster says he hasn't been smoking cigars very long. That's not really important, though, because sometimes the less jaundiced one is, the better and more real the impression...but I digress. Mmmmmmm...CAO camaroon! Sinking your teeth into some earth...must be the toothy wrapper! Cubita Liquer and a few thick veins...now THAT'S a cigar!!!

Sure.

Germans do make good cars.If they can make a good cigar, I'll try one.

The oldest cigar producers of the world are from Spain and from Germany
They make cigars in Hamburg i.e. since 1788... 1825 Germany exportet 20.814.000 Cigars (Statistics of the "Deutscher Zollverein") - how many were smoked in Germany, is unknewn.

So - praise Germany as an engine of the cigar business

Don't forget the cigars made in Bremen -- I have picked up some nice ones there too.

Dagobert, please direct me to your site where I can get some of these to try them out!

I leave for Germany Saturday for a two week conference and looking forward to smoking Cuban Cigars and drinking German Beer.

Out of curiosity, where did the Spanish exile cigar-roller get the Cuban tobacco? Cuba doesn't generally share its tobacco.

Herman Upmann was German...and oral hygeine was important in the family (toothy??). In fact, at what used to be the Upmann factory, there is a dental operatory, with vintage chair, spitoon, autoclave, instruments, and everything. Pristene.

Any of you guys try one of these yet???

@coriolanus
Who told you this?
49% of Habanos S.A. are spanish (ALTADIS S.A.); and if you have good connections to the mother firm and the cigars are rolled in a branch of this group, you will get tobacco or cuba will allow you to buy tobacco direct at the plantation.
Naturally a US firm won't get one leaf
Look at the german market, there are so many cigars with cuban (short-) filler, i.e. Dannemann , it's about time to produce some premium longfillers out of this stuff.

@bahabi
Check your mail

@Stogemiester: drop me a mail with your adress