Experience is the only way to tell what's genuine and what's not. There is no way around that.
As for cost, prices can range from $25 or $30 for a less desirable "nickel" cigar in a petit corona format to $300 and up for, say, Dunhills or Davidoffs. That's per cigar.
I don't think this is something you're ready to dabble in. After you've smoked current production Habanos for a number of years, it might be worth looking into again.
They are available, and there are pricey. There is one perticular gentlemen that has "cornered" alot of stock on these and other rare cigars. They are real and available. I have made a small purchased of pre-embargo smoke (1956). I really need to stress that such smoke are not for everyone, me included. I think one needs an ultra refined palette to appriciate them. The one I've had out of the stock was good mind you, but not ground shaking by any means. I much prefer 10 to 15 year vintage stuff.
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Posts: 1186 | Location: Indianapolis | Registered: January 07, 2007
Okay, here's a fair question then. If I were to go to another country, and take all of the responsibility of the conversation and the laws and all that stuff.
but lets say, like Ahnold, my black limo pulls up to a tobbaconist shop in Canada or in Europe, how would I KNOW that I was purchasing genuine Habanos (current product)? Here's the deal, I've never been out of the country. And I may not ever make it out. But if I DID encounter some genuine Habanos, wherever, how would I KNOW that they were.
Example, I know someone who has a SINGLE supposedly genuine CC in a tube. He is under the illusion that all the humidity it needs is also sealed in the tube. LOL. He's saving it for like 10 years, thinking that someday, at the right moment he's going to take it out and light'er up. I haven't the heart to tell him that it's going to be terrible.
Okay, here's a fair question then. If I were to go to another country, and take all of the responsibility of the conversation and the laws and all that stuff.
but lets say, like Ahnold, my black limo pulls up to a tobbaconist shop in Canada or in Europe, how would I KNOW that I was purchasing genuine Habanos (current product)? Here's the deal, I've never been out of the country. And I may not ever make it out. But if I DID encounter some genuine Habanos, wherever, how would I KNOW that they were.
Example, I know someone who has a SINGLE supposedly genuine CC in a tube. He is under the illusion that all the humidity it needs is also sealed in the tube. LOL. He's saving it for like 10 years, thinking that someday, at the right moment he's going to take it out and light'er up. I haven't the heart to tell him that it's going to be terrible.
But if I were looking at it, how would I KNOW?
Otis
Look use the search function.This is all old stuff if your too lazy to do the work.Then you are way out of your league.And your friend by the way is right if a tubo's seal is not broken the cigar can stay in there forever.But if you had bothered to do your homework you would have known that wouldn't you.Schools out!
Well, leaving aside the obvious irony of the new kid at school belittling the slightly newer kid...
The information regarding tube storage is incorrect and is hardly "schooling" anyone. The tubes are not completely airtight, so long-term storage without proper humidification will likely negatively affect the cigar. The tubes will AID in keeping the cigar in smokeable condition...it's much better than leaving a cigar out in the open without a tube. BUT, they are not a replacement for storage in the proper humidity and temperature....particularly long-term. They LIMIT the amount of air that gets inside but they don't PREVENT air from getting inside.
And Odie, I agree with others. If you don't know what a Cuban cigar is supposed to taste like, then spending large amounts of money of pre-embargo cigars would likely be a waste. Stick to current production and get your palate trained first...then branch out into the exotics if you wish.
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Posts: 1360 | Location: AZ | Registered: September 11, 2005
Well, leaving aside the obvious irony of the new kid at school belittling the slightly newer kid...
The information regarding tube storage is incorrect and is hardly "schooling" anyone. The tubes are not completely airtight, so long-term storage without proper humidification will likely negatively affect the cigar. The tubes will AID in keeping the cigar in smokeable condition...it's much better than leaving a cigar out in the open without a tube. BUT, they are not a replacement for storage in the proper humidity and temperature....particularly long-term. They LIMIT the amount of air that gets inside but they don't PREVENT air from getting inside.
And Odie, I agree with others. If you don't know what a Cuban cigar is supposed to taste like, then spending large amounts of money of pre-embargo cigars would likely be a waste. Stick to current production and get your palate trained first...then branch out into the exotics if you wish.
Better beautiful than perfect
I will tell you this i think you should change your handle i find you to be much more insurgent. Than any peacemaker i have ever known. Clean your'e act up.
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Posts: 7111 | Location: Reggio di Calabria, Italy / New York United States | Registered: July 12, 2007
Originally posted by CaesarM: I believe the Colt 1873 Single action army revolver was referred to as "The Peacemaker".
Yes.
And, our Peacemaker has, as the adage goes, forgotten more than most of us will ever know about CCs. His comments are spot-on.
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A guy could spend hours sifting through all the search results, and the partial results looking for an answer in this or any other forum that is more than a year old.
That response was pointed and presented in poor form. I had previously responded with an equally poor formed post, when my better judgement caused me to go back and edit it.
The point is, that in a place like this, truly knowledgeable aficionados can answer a question quickly and efficiently if they choose to.
Had I 2 or 3 hours to search I would have done so.
I was recently at a JW Marriott in Phoenix and their humidor had some pre embargo cc's for over $100 each. Same with Caesars in Vegas. I was tempted but did not purchase. With everything I have read here I am not sure how good they would be. If they were kept in a humiodor for the entire time they would be good but who can say for 40+ years. I have also heard that cigars peak with aging then become mediocre. Maybe a mediocre cuban is better than an excellent non cc. Anyway I have never tried one so can't tell you from personal experience.
Whatever happened to the 3000 sticks JFK had Pierre Salinger buy before signing the embargo?
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Posts: 2476 | Location: Connecticut | Registered: November 19, 2004
If you look on the Internet, you will find a website that has a few pre-embargo cubans and some well aged cubans from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. Somo Davidoffs and Dunhills. Plus a few pictures of Che and Fidel.
I will tell you this i think you should change your handle i find you to be much more insurgent. Than any peacemaker i have ever known. Clean your'e act up.
Interesting and very confusing perspective...
You displayed a rude and condescending attitude towards a new poster while giving out inacurrate information. I suggest that perhaps "your'e"(sic) act should be the one cleaned up. If one doesn't want to be exposed as giving out incorrect info or have their rudeness pointed out then perhaps one should make more of an effort to be factual and friendly, no? In simple English, if one can't take it, one shouldn't dish it out.
Or more eloquently, as my dear old Grandad used to say, "If you don't want to eat any sh!t sandwiches, then don't serve any!"
Better beautiful than perfect
Posts: 1360 | Location: AZ | Registered: September 11, 2005
What happens when someone with some cigar knowledge tries reasoning with an arrogant novice. Don't waist "your'e" time on this one peacemaker. We don't need his ignorance pointed out after insisting wrong information about tubos.
