2 boxes of sublimes le 2006, n one box of piramides le 2006......all 3 boxes have genuine cuban republic seals, with microprinting, n black light watermarks......im still curious if i bought fakes though, since the price i paid was good.......i have pictures, but im a newbie, so lemme figure how to upload them.......
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Posts: 521 | Location: nj.....ny | Registered: September 18, 2007
Originally posted by Potential: it looks like you got originals. Open the box and send us picks of the cigars in there. the cigar band is very important.
The cigar band is probably the least important thing when it comes to sotting a fake. Anybody can throw real bad on a fake cigar.
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well no not just that. you can also see the wrapper quality. If they are fake I highly doubt they built this cigar like the Cubans. You also look for uniformity...not just the band. but yes looking at the band helps
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Posts: 16 | Location: California | Registered: June 22, 2007
Without question, these are counterfeit. The Sublimes were a 2004 EL release whereas the Piramides were 2006. Also, the Sublimes were a 25 count box and the Piramides were a 10 count box- there is no way they would sell for the same price and as previously noted the price is *way* too low. Sites that sell many different brands/sizes for the same price are guaranteed to be selling fakes.
Regarding the codes stamped on the bottom of the box- I've never seen such a bold typeface used for this stamp, and it is also the incorrect date code format. The date code should be in the format of FEB05 rather than UTCC. The 'FEB05' style format was adopted in the year 2000. 'UTCC' would translate to March 1999 and that date format was in use from 01/99 to 05/99. Many times counterfeiters will screw up and use factory and/or date codes which would make no sense on particular boxes (i.e.- outdated codes on a more recent box).
If possible, you should return these for your money back. You should not even consider selling them to other unsuspecting, uninformed users for a profit.
Originally posted by matthew-nj/ny: then how do they have all the stamps, seals, n holligrams, AND the factory codes on the back of the box if there fake????
I dunno...why do fake Rolex's have "Rolex" printed on them?
Honestly, I don't even need to see the cigars to tell you they're counterfeit. As has already been said, Cohiba Sublimes were a 2004 release. They were not produced in 2006 at all. Secondly, legitimate Sublimes sold for approx. $550-600 or more per box when they were released. As there are very few legitimate boxes still available, they would be even more expensive now due to supply and demand. At this point, you'd be lucky to find a box for $750 (actually, you'd be lucky to find a legitimate box at any price these days), so your price of $125/box means those cigars are about as authentic as a $50 Rolex or a $20 Louis Vitton bag.
Also, everything the above poster says is correct regarding the bogus date code. If you sell these at any price you'll be as big a crook as the guy who sold them to you.
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Posts: 1022 | Location: AZ | Registered: September 11, 2005
i also had a box of 25 double corona le's 2004, n they were n awesome smoke...... i gave a friend of mine a box of sublimes, at cost, n he took em 2 a bachelor party just last week n he said they were very good...... n hes been smoking stoggies for 10 years+!!!!!
wtf?!?!
r u guys sure these r fakes? how did they get real, watermarked, uv light sensitive, with micropronting cuban seals on all these boxes?!?!?
n y r the cigars so dam good?!?!?
i love macanundo, n romeo n juliet reserve reals, n my favorite cigar is monticeisco white label churchills, all non cubans, n these "cubans" taste better than all of these!!!!!!
what gives?!?!?
p.s.
thank u guys for all your responses n help.....
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Posts: 521 | Location: nj.....ny | Registered: September 18, 2007
What Donkost said is correct. Sublimes were from 2004. There was never an authentic box from 2006. Cohiba Piramides from 2006 come in 10 count boxes only. They have never produced a box of 25 of this LE. The UTCC date code makes it impossible that these cigars could be real. Cuba has not used this code sonce 1999. Price aside, look, feel and how they smoke aside, these cigars are not authentic Cohibas. They may have been made in Cuba using Cuban tobacco but they are not authentic. As for how the bands and seals look real, I probably shouldn't post this site but here you go. http://www.justfakes.com/
Smoke them. Don't try to sell them as authentic Cohibas.
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Posts: 1389 | Location: Dublin | Registered: November 29, 2006
the three web pages I posted above will show you tell tale tip offs to help you spot fakes. and as posted above, justfakes sells everything some dirt bag would need to label a box of dog rockets. Think about it, someone could buy a real Cohiba box on ebay and reseal it with very good looking counterfiet seals after filling it with who knows what. This is a huge business.
I do lots of traveling to the SOUTH, and it never fails, Cohibas are real cheap except for in the legit shops, then some good looking shops are selling full priced fakes. I had a buddy come back from a deployment telling me about the Cohiba esplendidos he got for $50 a box.....they usually sell for $400+ , how could they be real. He swears they are good, but real they are not.
I would really take a good look at those three web pages I posted above, some great info. If you want another excellent source of fake/authentic info shoot me an e mail.
(I would post it, but they also sell cigars so I do not want to get the little finger pointers upset,its against the rules doncha know .)
Originally posted by The Peacemaker: At this point, you'd be lucky to find a box for $750 (actually, you'd be lucky to find a legitimate box at any price these days), so your price of $125/box means those cigars are about as authentic as a $50 Rolex or a $20 Louis Vitton bag.
The opposite can be true as well. Some people sell fakes at high prices with the reasoning that there will be a certain percentage of smokers who aren't discerning enough to spot a fake but have the common sense to know that if the price is too good to be true, then it is. The moral of the story is, the only sure way to know a cigar is authentic is to have smoked it in the past. A Catch-22? Yup. But them's the breaks.
Yes. Real ones are only packaged in boxes of 10. Do you really think that someone would sell you a box of fakes and a box of legitimate Habanos at the same time...and for the same price?
"i also had a box of 25 double corona le's 2004, n they were n awesome smoke...... i gave a friend of mine a box of sublimes, at cost, n he took em 2 a bachelor party just last week n he said they were very good...... n hes been smoking stoggies for 10 years+!!!!!"
The Cohiba Double Coronas were a 2003 release...sorry.
As far as your friend liking the "Sublimes" and being a 10 year smoker...I smoked primarily non-Cuban cigars for several years before switching to primarily and then exclusively Cuban. Some fakes tasted decent to me, too, until I had enough experience with LEGITIMATE Cuban cigars to be able to notice the difference. It's not how many years someone has been smoking cigars in general...it's how many they have been smoking LEGITIMATE CUBAN cigars that would develop their palate on this issue.
"r u guys sure these r fakes?"
No...we just like messing with people. Of course they're fakes...for the MULTITUDE of reasons listed throughout this thread. Just because you WANT them to be legit doesn't make them so. It just makes the scumbags who sold them to you more successful. It's exactly how con men and scam artists can be so successful...they just have to find the people who WANT to believe them.
"n y r the cigars so dam good?!?!?"
Maybe because you WANT them to be? I dunno, maybe they're decent cigars, but with all you've told and shown us they are definitely NOT, I repeat, NOT, legitimate Habanos.
"i love macanundo, n romeo n juliet reserve reals, n my favorite cigar is monticeisco white label churchills, all non cubans, n these "cubans" taste better than all of these!!!!!!"
No offense, but Macanudos were always bland and tasteless to me...even when I primarily smoked non-Cubans. So it wouldn't surprise me that the fakes could taste better than those. Most cigars do...just my opinion of course. Sometimes fakes can taste fairly decent...other times they can be horrible and filled with things other than 100% tobacco. You don't even want to know what other items they could contain. The bottom line is if you want the REAL DEAL there are no shortcuts, no deep discounts, no special deals "just for you".
If you like your fakes...well, keep buying them. Just don't buy into that they are legitimate Cuban cigars (they are not)...and certainly don't try to sell them as Cubans anymore (unless you want to be known as a scumbag and a cheat).
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Posts: 1022 | Location: AZ | Registered: September 11, 2005
Of course they're fakes...for the MULTITUDE of reasons listed throughout this thread. Just because you WANT them to be legit doesn't make them so. It just makes the scumbags who sold them to you more successful. It's exactly how con men and scam artists can be so successful...they just have to find the people who WANT to believe them. 
