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Let freedom ring
 
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true that...on all counts.


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someone is trying to speak
 
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I agree with you an Arafat, but Fidel seems to be well liked by his countrymen and certainly keeps the country from becoming another Haiti/Dominican Republic. Castro isn't the boogie man to me.
 
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I wont glorify fidel. Yes the best cigars in the world come out of cuba but the reality is cuba will be better off without him and him dying is one step closer to the embargo going away
 
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Whom would you propose lead Cuba following Fidel's passing?....a US supported puppet--such as Batista, which produced Castro as a result--or a leader of the Cuban people's own choosing?
 
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Can anyone chime in or is this only for Batmans sidekicks Big Grin Big Grin Razz
Who's fault is the embargo, really. We, as Americans deal with far worse countries every day. This whole embargo is a "I'm going home and I'm takin my football with me" mentality.
JFK tried numerous times to kill Fidel, when all this failed, he got his (1200 cuban cigars) and then Fu**ed the rest of us. Sure "we" don't agree with all the beliefs or how he treats the people of cuba, but the USA did help put him in power.


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Castro will outlive yet another administration...let's see...

Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, and yet another Bush...

10 presidents, 14 Administrations, 45 years and counting...


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Can anyone chime in or is this only for Batmans sidekicks


That's funny.
 
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Take this a step further, j-rod...the ONLY reason Castro has been able to STAY in power is the US Embargo. Without it, he has no one to blame for the circumstances of the country except himself. As long as the embargo is in place, Castro stays in power...if the embargo were lifted, it would be such a disaster for Castro, he would probably impose a CUBAN embargo on the US under the guise of protecting the country from imperialists and counterrevolutionaries, but in reality, to preserve his idea that the Cuban people NEED him, and that idea that he has been able to instill in the minds AND hearts of the Cuban people. So...the very thing that was designed to bring him down instead fortified his place and stronghold.


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Whom would you propose lead Cuba following Fidel's passing?....a US supported puppet--such as Batista, which produced Castro as a result--or a leader of the Cuban people's own choosing?



assasinations,looting,violence,civil unrest will lead the UN to produce a puppet regime
 
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No..."assasinations, looting, violence, civil unrest" led to the Castro regime. It was hoped that the embargo would cause enough pressure on the people that it would lead to assasinations, looting, violence, civil unrest, to the point of revolt against Castro, but that hasn't happened.


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Boywonder...DR has a higher standard of living than Cuba...it's true...I read it on Slate...


The risk of kicking butt is you get some crap on your shoe
 
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I agree with you an Arafat, but Fidel seems to be well liked by his countrymen....


So was Stalin. Or so it seemed.
 
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Don't forget the "yahoos"
who voted for "W". He seems to be well liked by his people and they would be better off without him wether he resigned or ate a bullet.


zsinj1... "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..."
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How do it go

"Oh Canada...."

Oh yes, no one knows because it doesnt matter.

Seg..


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Can anyone chime in or is this only for Batmans sidekicks Big Grin Big Grin Razz
Who's fault is the embargo, really. We, as Americans deal with far worse countries every day. This whole embargo is a "I'm going home and I'm takin my football with me" mentality.
JFK tried numerous times to kill Fidel, when all this failed, he got his (1200 cuban cigars) and then Fu**ed the rest of us. Sure "we" don't agree with all the beliefs or how he treats the people of cuba, but the USA did help put him in power.


What kind of behavour would you expect from a spoiled rich kid.
 
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If castros death will not be enough to end the embargo, what more will have to happen? Looking at it simplisticly, it would appear the cuban exile vote is the main obstacle and their biggest gripe is with castro himself. Should he die, do they have any other concerns? What if Raul replaces him? Peacefully or through violent struggle? What role would the UN play in either scenario? is cuba a member of the UN?
More knowledgable insight would be interesting reading.
Im not a fan of Bush Jr but I dont think regime change in the USA is the answer either. A 50 year old embargo has to run deeper than a presidential administrations ulterior motives
 
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well, you've ignored more knowledgeable insight in the past...what more do you want?

Interestingly, the counties in Florida with the highest population of Cubans voted for Kerry, expressly because of the Administration's regulations concerning travel by family members to Cuba, so the vote, per se, was not the issue. It's the pandering to the CANF and its progeny that excites our political machine...and THEY don't CARE if their brothers cannot go visit family members in Cuba. All they care about is the end of Castro, no matter the cost, no matter the fight, no matter right or wrong...they have one issue and one issue only, the consequences to the people of Cuba be damned!


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