Let me start off by stating that not all cigars are created =. #1 Cuban cigars in the USA are illegal. Some of us are having being law abidng people have purchsed cuban cigars out side the US and brought them back or have and online "source" that they are able to obtain. I have no problem helping out a fellow cigar aficionado to talk about a store or company going bad. But to come on brand new tring to find out where to get cuban cigars is wrong. Put some time in. talk about cigars gain some friends don't just ask for help finding out where to get an ILLEGAL product. Why not just ask where to get a bag of dope or who is a great DEALER come on people. This has been a very touchy subject from day one. There was one a newb post but I see that has gone away. Enjoy the product that you can get but be discrete about it. Now with that settled.
Cuban cigars are very good but they have had some bad years too. The ones comming off now are not rolled as god due to the older generation dying off and the younger ones not picking up the skill to roll. Alot of the great roler moved either to the US or to the DR. So smoke what you like and enjoy. Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'.
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Posts: 463 | Location: New York / New Jersey | Registered: June 21, 2004
No,No, It is true to get a bag on green or black then getting a cuban. And one funny thing is that the cigar cost more too. What is up with that a bag of crack that can kill youis less that a Good Cuban figure that one out LOL
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Posts: 463 | Location: New York / New Jersey | Registered: June 21, 2004
Originally posted by Nrccemtp: No,No, It is true to get a bag on green or black then getting a cuban. And one funny thing is that the cigar cost more too. What is up with that a bag of crack that can kill youis less that a Good Cuban figure that one out LOL
Our governments are making a point (not quite sure what it is anymore). Doing what's best for us. You have an embargo, we a have a 250% tax levy. I'm not sure who is getting screwed more.
Posts: 162 | Location: Windsor, Ont | Registered: March 20, 2007
The real point of contention is that all these activities are illegal and that we all assume a calculated risk in particpation. It does not matter how a U.S. citizen obtains or consumes a Cuban cigar, it is still illegal. I have often shared my belief that sources should be openly discussed. This thinking was however centered around the counterfeit trade, namely, expose those vendor dealing in counterfiets for what they are. I do understand that talking about sources can and would leed to many problems. However, I don't for one minute believe there is not "Global" awareness to the internet cigar world of sales. The truth simple has to be that the concequences around the calculated risk taken by some, is just not that important to the powers that be. Whats the worst thing you have ever heard of on a "personal consuption" level? A letter or confiscation and thats about it.
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Posts: 1101 | Location: Indianapolis | Registered: January 07, 2007
Originally posted by Elaw: I do understand that talking about sources can and would leed to many problems.
Whats the worst thing you have ever heard of on a "personal consuption" level? A letter or confiscation and thats about it.
I don't believe there is much personal risk to you. I know there is none for me. But I think it relates more to the site. The government may see the site as promoting illegal activity and try to impose what ever sanctions they have up their sleeve.
Just my thoughts.
Posts: 162 | Location: Windsor, Ont | Registered: March 20, 2007
Yes you are right!! Some of these sites had been in business for a long time and are still going strong. I don't know of anysite that has had any consequences from sales.
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Posts: 1101 | Location: Indianapolis | Registered: January 07, 2007
Originally posted by Elaw: Yes you are right!! Some of these sites had been in business for a long time and are still going strong. I don't know of anysite that has had any consequences from sales.
I'm not concerned for those sites making the sales, that's the risk they take. It was meant more this site and it's administrators.
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Posts: 162 | Location: Windsor, Ont | Registered: March 20, 2007
Originally posted by Nrccemtp: Let me start off by stating that not all cigars are created =. #1 Cuban cigars in the USA are illegal. Some of us are having being law abidng people have purchsed cuban cigars out side the US and brought them back or have and online "source" that they are able to obtain. I have no problem helping out a fellow cigar aficionado to talk about a store or company going bad. But to come on brand new tring to find out where to get cuban cigars is wrong. Put some time in. talk about cigars gain some friends don't just ask for help finding out where to get an ILLEGAL product. Why not just ask where to get a bag of dope or who is a great DEALER come on people. This has been a very touchy subject from day one. There was one a newb post but I see that has gone away. Enjoy the product that you can get but be discrete about it. Now with that settled.
Cuban cigars are very good but they have had some bad years too. The ones comming off now are not rolled as god due to the older generation dying off and the younger ones not picking up the skill to roll. Alot of the great roler moved either to the US or to the DR. So smoke what you like and enjoy. Get busy livin' or get busy dyin'.
I find it hard to believe you smoke many CCs, given this ill-informed statement about current quality-control, which clearly is better than it has been for years. I find the CCs I have bought in the last year or two much less prone to plugged sticks and the like, and there has been so much written about this on the forum here that I assume you just jumped on to bash CC smokers. Not nice.
Whats the worst thing you have ever heard of on a "personal consuption" level? A letter or confiscation and thats about it.
I have seen worse consequences posted on OFAC's website. OFAC is proposing civil penalties to be imposed on those accused of illegal internet purchases of Cuban cigars as I type this.
I'm not here to bash CC smoker hell I smoke quite a bit of them. I don't disagree that the quaility has gotten better but not near of what they used to be. I am stating we have a privlage to smoke Cuban Cigars and that should not be abused. I like Elaw, the point of conversation in all those crap sources to bring down the counterfit stuff I feel we wil have that once the embargo is lifted. That will bring the counterfit to a halt. I enjoy CC very much and like to have chats about the experance of the smoke and get to know some people and develop friendships If you want to start a bash fest then go back to your high school and come back and we will talk. I am stating an opion please just state you agree or disagree I had enough lectures back in college.
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Posts: 463 | Location: New York / New Jersey | Registered: June 21, 2004
personally, i feel cuban cigars were some of the worst rolled cigars in the world. still the best tobacco, but i've seen way too many plugged cigars that are supposed to be a premium product. the last two years have been a godsend...or maybe its just my good luck.
Posts: 1540 | Location: Boston | Registered: February 28, 2003
Originally posted by jmunro: I have to agree that the statement is full of inexperience and wrong information.
....and misspellings and bad grammar.....It's one thing to be spoken down to, but by a person who appears to have no better than a fourth grade education is ludicrous.
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Originally posted by Nrccemtp: I'm not here to bash CC smoker hell I smoke quite a bit of them. I don't disagree that the quaility has gotten better but not near of what they used to be. I am stating we have a privlage to smoke Cuban Cigars and that should not be abused. I like Elaw, the point of conversation in all those crap sources to bring down the counterfit stuff I feel we wil have that once the embargo is lifted. That will bring the counterfit to a halt. I enjoy CC very much and like to have chats about the experance of the smoke and get to know some people and develop friendships If you want to start a bash fest then go back to your high school and come back and we will talk. I am stating an opion please just state you agree or disagree I had enough lectures back in college.
You went to college??? LMAO....You can't even compose a cogent paragraph, let alone a complete sentence.
"To those who would tear the world down: We will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security: We support you. And to all those who have wondered if America's beacon still burns as bright: Tonight, we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity and unyielding hope." -- Barack Obama, Nov. 4, 2008
Originally posted by Nrccemtp: I'm not here to bash CC smoker hell I smoke quite a bit of them. I don't disagree that the quaility has gotten better but not near of what they used to be. I am stating we have a privlage to smoke Cuban Cigars and that should not be abused. I like Elaw, the point of conversation in all those crap sources to bring down the counterfit stuff I feel we wil have that once the embargo is lifted. That will bring the counterfit to a halt. I enjoy CC very much and like to have chats about the experance of the smoke and get to know some people and develop friendships If you want to start a bash fest then go back to your high school and come back and we will talk. I am stating an opion please just state you agree or disagree I had enough lectures back in college.
College? Did they mention usage, spelling and grammar at any point during your studies?
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He's probably from Hoboken where English was most likely his third language. Or maybe he was just drunk and slurred his typing.
"They're not real Cubans. They're Dominicans." Yeah. I'm a little worried. When there's no work, and the people get restless, who do you think they come after?... El Presidente!
Posts: 747 | Location: South Lyon, MI | Registered: February 08, 2007
Originally posted by cromag: You went to college??? LMAO....You can't even compose a cogent paragraph, let alone a complete sentence.
Why do some members of this forum always seem to attack a person's sentence structure/spelling/grammer. I thought we were here to discuss cigars, in a friendly manner, not be graded and degraded.
Posts: 162 | Location: Windsor, Ont | Registered: March 20, 2007
It just makes me laugh that some people actually believe they're the only one who uses their "online" sources and nobody else can find the website. Look, if you order cigars from a website, there is a good chance you'll get busted. I think the government is able to tell which websites ship to the USA. After all, many of them say they'll ship to the USA. Many also say your credit card will be billed by "put fake name here". I think they could connect the dots if they wanted to.
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