I've noticed a lot of new posters looking for decent cigars on a budget lately and thought I would post this little conversion chart that NMCowboy posted a while back.

Connie conversions:
No. Size Best Villazon Matches (Note: Only most widely available sizes listed.)
#1 6.5X42 ULT Cetro, PUNCH Oxford Deluxe
#2 4.5X28 ULT Habanella, PUNCH Slim Panatella
#3 5.5X43 BF Corona, HDM Tubo, BELINDA Spanish Twist
#5 5.5X37 ULT Petit Cetro, ERDM Tino, EXCAL VI
#8 5.5X28 ERDM Elegantes
#9 4.5X50 PUNCH/HDM/ULT Rothschild
#10 5X41 PUNCH London club, HDM Sabrosos
#108 6.5X46 ULT Cab 10
#14 7.25X54 BF 754, ULT 1,ULT Cab 60, ERDM Robusto Suprema, HDM Sultans, PUNCH Chateau L
#15 6.25X45 EXCAL II, HDM Churchill
#16 6X48 PUNCH Pita
#17 5.5X47 HDM Café Royale, PGC Superior
#18 7.25X46 BELINDA 1835, PUNCH After Dinner
#25 6.75X48 FDA Prominente, BF/ULT/HDM/PUNCH Doub. Corona, EXCAL Banquet, PGC Monarcha
#26 5.5X42
#28 8.5X52 ULT/HDM/PUNCH Presidente, EXCAL Emperor, ERDM Coronation, PGC Prince Consort
#29 6X41
#30 5.25X50 ULT Cab 20, EXCAL Epicure, PUNCH Corona Gorda Deluxe, PGC Robusto
#68 5X37 FDA Especiale 5, BF Palmita, ERDM Reynita
#70 5.5X44 ERDM Corona, HDM Super Hoyo, PUNCH Café Royales, PUNCH Royal Coronation
#72 5X54 BF 554, ULT Cab 40, ERDM Robusto Zavalla, ERDM Robusto
#73 6X54 FDA Regordo, BF 654, ULT Cab 50, ERDM Reserva Salado
#73M 6X54 ULT Principale, ERDM Robusto Larga
#84T 6X54 ERDM Flor de Llaneza, PGC No. 2
#84B 6X50 FDA/ULT, BF Belicoso

Thanks. I've been waiting for that to come up again.

Thanks Idesign. Where do you find the numbers 1-9?

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ID,

This is a very useful post! I used this info (which was posted sometime earlier) to get my first Connies! Needless to say, I'm hooked!


I suggest anyone interested in Consuegra's print out the above list, for future/immediate use!

Tiny Tim
Sergeant at Arms
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A great list to have, but I have a question regarding the #17. I've ordered them in the past and they came with ERDM wrapping. This was about a year ago, did the #17 change?

Are you talking about the ribbons that hold the bundles together? If so, they all come with the same ribbons.

Thanks for the list. I've been reading posts about these for some time now, and put my first order in today. If their half as good as I've read, I'm sure I'll be hooked. As a college student, my cigar budget is quite lower then it should be, but these seem to fit in it.

Bump

The two bundles of #14 maduro I received from JR a couple weeks ago are just fantastic! I usually like the Punch line and the Hoyos (and have several boxes), but these are close, very close (OK, so I don't have a sophisticated palate). I know the complaints about the consistency and draw are well founded, but for the price, I have no problem just "chuckin' it" if the draw "ain't there"(which I've yet to have happen). Conversely, I do feel very ripped off if the Hoyo or RyJ or (insert high-priced premium brand here) does not function at a level that at least allows me to draw the smoke from the cigar (have had this happen quite a few times). I have tried untold premium brands at the behest of experienced friends, and gained much insight reading these posts, but in the end, it's about taste and satisfaction. IMHO the connies deliver!

Bizzump

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Take for instance the #10. Does that mean that the 5X41 PUNCH London club and HDM Sabrosos are really the same cigar with a different band, or are they just close enough that they can be called the same thing as a second? The same would go for any other number where there is more than one match.

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Connies are seconds from the Villazon Factory so they could be seconds of any cigar they make basically. Both HDM and Punch are made there and both have a cigar that matches that size. I don't think this list is absolute, I think it's just the best matches from Villazon.

I realize that connies are seconds (perhaps in name only)

My question was was more about the firsts than the seconds.

If a specific connie relates to two or more cigars, (as most do) are the two cigars (as a first) identical except for the bands? There are some connies listed that have the same length and ring size as others, so numbering is not just based on those two factors.

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There are 10 types of people in this world.
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Yeah, I figured you knew. I don't know why there would be two different numbers offering the same size cigar.

Maybe shape?

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There are 10 types of people in this world.
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BTT so that I don't have to do a search for this. Very helpful.

No. 14 in maduro, baby!


Woo-Hoo!!!!!!!!!!

Tiny Tim
Sergeant at Arms
S.N.O.B. #1020

Bumped up for the coach.