Originally posted by jaybarbour: i picked up a box of the maduros today. they will rest a while. all the reviews of these aren't going to be accurate. smoking a fresh cigar is not the same as letting it rest and having the humidity even out on the cigar before lighting it up. put them away for at least a few weeks before trying them.
every padron anny ive had was great fresh out of the box/shop.....ive had one 64 from a box i watched the owner peel the celophane off of, and ive had a 64 that was the last next to last one in the box....... both were the same.......brand new, there stuff is awesome, and i dont think any amount of aging will make this cigar get to the 40$ price tag, and/or the hype........ i personally dont think padron ages well, or needs aging at all, not even a few weeks....... just mho here.......
id be interested to hear everyones 2 cents on this, cause i think the padron 80th is currently one of the most over priced cigars on the market, that i dont think will get much better, if at all, with aging.......
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Matthew is right about the aging. Orlando Padron once told me that the tobacco in the 26 series cigars are aged a minimum of five years, that they need no further time before they should be smoked and that they really don't get much better over time. The CCs and some premium NCs are considerably younger when put to market and thus really appreciate from further aging.
It is also true however that some cigars, even Padrons on occasion, need some time out of the box to breathe and stabilize before they taste as they should.
I think the jury is still out on the 80th. I also caution people not to judge the merit of a cigar after smoking just one. Too many variables can impact an evaluation based on just one experience. I suggest you try a minimum of three 80ths over time and from different boxes before you reach a conclusion.
The Padrons intended this cigar to retail for $30. It's unfortunate that some people have to pay $40 for it.
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Originally posted by Florida Gator: Matthew is right about the aging. Orlando Padron once told me that the tobacco in the 26 series cigars are aged a minimum of five years, that they need no further time before should be smoked and that they really don't get much better over time.
You guys confuse fermentation with aging. All tobacco is moistened for the rolling process. Rolling causes unpleasantness in cigars that generally takes a couple years to fully dissipate.
Originally posted by rrtree: they rated the 80th a 95 in the dec CI
they must have shoved crack rock in that sweet maduro wrapper as well, and then wrote the review stoned out of their minds to score it that high.........
i havent seen this cigar retail for 30$ ANYWHERE yet, and i doubt it ever will since its a limited run........ even for 30, its too expensive, and imho, not deserving of a 95 rating.......
but as was pointed out already on this forum, the rating ca gives dosent always mean the cigar is that good, and probably had to do with the hundreds of thousads of advertising dollars paid by said company as well.......
padron needs to take a collective breath after this 80th anniversary, and ease up with the price tags.........
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they must have shoved crack rock in that sweet maduro wrapper as well, and then wrote the review stoned out of their minds to score it that high.........
15 points out of 100 are reserved for appearance. Savona has said that he rarely gives the full 15 points to a cigar. So, you figure that the 80th's unique shape merited it a few extra points. If it were an ordinary toro or churchill, it probably would have scored a 92 or something.
Like you say, a high rating doesn't make it a better smoke. Just like people are going nuts for the 94-rated Oliva Serie V torpedo. Well, probably 2 or 3 of those points are for the shape and they could enjoy almost the same flavor in a different shape but somehow believe that the cigar will be less good.
I guess the final thing is -- if you don't like figurados, there really is no sense in spending $30 on the Padron 80th since you can get the same basic flavor from a traditional shape in the 1926 line for a lot less...without the headaches of trying to find a rare 80th.
I'm smoking one this weekend hopefully. We'll see if it's as good as CA says.
True, a little time would help, it is not aging but just stabilization. A very small spike of secondary fermentation does occur while rolling. Also the entire cigar would benefit by providing a blend that works together, burning in harmony. The 80's have strong spice at the first half which would be a little smoother. It is an excellent blend.
Originally posted by bjm: I went to barclay rex in mid town NYC last night after work to try one. They just got some in like 10 boxes so I suspect they wont last long.
Paid $38 including tax for a single. I decided to light it up there and then and enjoy in their lounge area.
Its a big cigar, took me about 1hr 15min to smoke.
Granted its a new shape to the 1926 line but I dont know if the 80th is supposed to be a different blend, to me it tasted like a typical 1926 Anni which is all about power and strength to the detriment of flavor IMO. There were some nice Padron Anni flavors that came through but I had to really concentrate(too much) to get them. The strength of the 1926 blend just over powers the subtle nutty and berry flavors you get in the 1964 Anni blend.
I think the 1964 Anni's are a more flavorful and enjoyable cigar and you dont feel like youve been hit by a tobacco sledgehammer when your done.
What this experience thought me is just how good a deal the 1964 Anni line is for alot less money.
Astute points on the 26 vs. the 64. I haven't had the 80th yet, but I look forward to sampling when some of the vendors here get them.
Question: was this the Barclay Rex on 42nd? I didn't know they had a lounge. I always thought it was sort of a small shop with the humidor in the back and a retail space up front.
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Originally posted by rrtree: they rated the 80th a 95 in the dec CI
they must have shoved crack rock in that sweet maduro wrapper as well, and then wrote the review stoned out of their minds to score it that high.........
i havent seen this cigar retail for 30$ ANYWHERE yet, and i doubt it ever will since its a limited run........ even for 30, its too expensive, and imho, not deserving of a 95 rating.......
but as was pointed out already on this forum, the rating ca gives dosent always mean the cigar is that good, and probably had to do with the hundreds of thousads of advertising dollars paid by said company as well.......
padron needs to take a collective breath after this 80th anniversary, and ease up with the price tags.........
Originally posted by bjm: I went to barclay rex in mid town NYC last night after work to try one. They just got some in like 10 boxes so I suspect they wont last long.
Paid $38 including tax for a single. I decided to light it up there and then and enjoy in their lounge area.
Its a big cigar, took me about 1hr 15min to smoke.
Granted its a new shape to the 1926 line but I dont know if the 80th is supposed to be a different blend, to me it tasted like a typical 1926 Anni which is all about power and strength to the detriment of flavor IMO. There were some nice Padron Anni flavors that came through but I had to really concentrate(too much) to get them. The strength of the 1926 blend just over powers the subtle nutty and berry flavors you get in the 1964 Anni blend.
I think the 1964 Anni's are a more flavorful and enjoyable cigar and you dont feel like youve been hit by a tobacco sledgehammer when your done.
What this experience thought me is just how good a deal the 1964 Anni line is for alot less money.
Astute points on the 26 vs. the 64. I haven't had the 80th yet, but I look forward to sampling when some of the vendors here get them.
Question: was this the Barclay Rex on 42nd? I didn't know they had a lounge. I always thought it was sort of a small shop with the humidor in the back and a retail space up front.
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Originally posted by rrtree: they rated the 80th a 95 in the dec CI
they must have shoved crack rock in that sweet maduro wrapper as well, and then wrote the review stoned out of their minds to score it that high.........
i havent seen this cigar retail for 30$ ANYWHERE yet, and i doubt it ever will since its a limited run........ even for 30, its too expensive, and imho, not deserving of a 95 rating.......
but as was pointed out already on this forum, the rating ca gives dosent always mean the cigar is that good, and probably had to do with the hundreds of thousads of advertising dollars paid by said company as well.......
padron needs to take a collective breath after this 80th anniversary, and ease up with the price tags.........
in all fairness, they're 30 bucks at my shop
that's still entirely too much for me though
I just found them for $28.50 in the Specs humidor...seriously. I'm slowly being dragged over this store instead of my local B&M. I mean, normally, 1-2 bucks a stick extra, not a big deal if I'm getting singles. But when I get a box of 25? 2 bucks is now $50...that's a considerable difference.
every padron anny ive had was great fresh out of the box/shop
it's not a matter of aging, it's a matter of recovery and the humidity evening out throughout the cigar. freshies will never smoke as good as a cigar that has been rested for about 2-4 weeks.
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Originally posted by matthew-nj/ny: they only have 16 padron 80's, and they are 50 dollars each..... without shipping of course........
madness........
Yeah. Guess it's our own fault though. If we didn't pay these prices, they couldn't charge them. I hate seeing stores gouge their customers. My local B&M charges straight MSRP for everything, no matter how rare, which is a nice thing to do for their loyal customers. If someone walks in off the street and wants to cherry pick, they probably won't even find out the stuff is there.
Posted December 11, 2007 10:52 PM Hide Post I just talked to my retailer over the phone and offered me a box(8) of the 80th's for $240. Had to pass since I want to try the 26's first
Thats not bad thats the going price $30 a piece. Is that plus tax or strait up?
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Posted December 11, 2007 10:52 PM Hide Post I just talked to my retailer over the phone and offered me a box(8) of the 80th's for $240. Had to pass since I want to try the 26's first
Thats not bad thats the going price $30 a piece. Is that plus tax or strait up?
Not bad at all considering so many people are willing to pay more, a lot more. Saw some douche bag selling the 80th Anni's on EBay
