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Hello

I recently received a note from the Louisiana Department of Revenue. It lists a long list of alleged deliveries at my home from Thomson Cigar Company. They want me to pay tax on the purchases (20% excise tax, plus 4% sales tax).
Their estimate of the purchases is about a factor of 10 larger than what I normally pay. They want me to produce invoices for all the purchases going back to 2003.

My question is: how do they get this information? Thomson Cigar claims it did not give them the information. Could they get it from UPS?

Best wishes from Louisiana
 
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I understand that every package UPS,or FedEx handles is 1st put in their computer, (for tracking). If the state should ask for any information; the company can just look at your address and then gives them a list of everything.
If the company doesn't , it will lose its license to move freight inside the state.

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Interesting. I believe the info would come from the shipper, so you should contact them for clarification.

Care to send me a copy of the letter? It might make a good story.

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This is disturbing info, in deed


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An update: UPS also claims the information did not come from them. I am inquiring with my credit card company.
 
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Well, now my credit card company also claims that they didn't furnish the information...
 
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I'm not surprized, that you have hit a blank wall. All three would give you up in a second, but won't admit it...

Maybe you should just ask the state, maybe they might, want to brag a little bit. Tell them it would be impossible that the cigars were sent to you, "who said so?"...

I assume you didn't brag to anyone about getting a super deal on your cigars on-line, right?

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Here is the link to the UPS Privacy Policy:
www.ups.com/content/us/en/privacy.html?

I don't know which credit card/s you used in these transactions but I would research their Privacy Policies too (including Thomson's).

I also found this press release posted on the LA Department of Revenue web site:
http://www.rev.state.la.us/sections/publications/viewrelease.asp?id=172

It would be interesting to find out if the responsible party who furnished your personal information to the LA Department of Revenue violated it's own Privacy Policy or somehow infringed your privacy rights.

At the very least, I think you should have been given the opportunity to quash the LA Department of Revenue's information/subpoena request for your personal identifiable information...


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Posts: 87 | Location: Orange County, CA | Registered: April 22, 2006Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by CajunPiper:
They want me to produce invoices for all the purchases going back to 2003.




Wouldn't that be self incrimination? if they have proof then so be it, but how do they know you didn't buy humidors or cutters. Isn't the proof on there shoulders. If they do have proof of your purchases then only the merchant would be able to have provided the exacts, not the cc or ups/fedx


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Yesterday I got a form letter from Thompson Cigar. They claim that "a common carrier's records" were subpoenaed and that was how the state got the information.
 
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The great state of Louisiana continues their Gestapo practices-referring to RTDA.

This is just an additional reason that I will buy at my local B & M.


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Originally posted by CajunPiper:
Yesterday I got a form letter from Thompson Cigar. They claim that "a common carrier's records" were subpoenaed and that was how the state got the information.


I'd consult an attorney. You might also find some useful information from these 2 sites:

www.eff.org
www.epic.org


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Originally posted by emeraldsmoke:
This is just an additional reason that I will buy at my local B & M.

Don't you own your local B&M?


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by CajunPiper:


They want me to produce invoices for all the purchases going back to 2003.


Its really too bad that all that PAPERWORK WAS LOST DURING THAT REALLY BIG STORM last year...

Right? Maybe not...

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I was just wondering, How much are you (We) talking about, over hundred, or more?

If its less, write a check and forget about it, cheap lesson.

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Deny........just because they have "records" doesn't mean you got 'em.


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David

I think thgis would make a great article. I believe Connecticut offers voluntary "confession" on your yearly tax bill


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So, whats become of this?


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We did a story on this in a recent Cigar Insider, and had a smaller piece on the web.

We're working on a follow up regarding a development that happened last week, which will appear in Tuesday's Cigar Insider.
 
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From what I gathered from the UPS site it looks like the vendor is obliagated to help the shiper in selling are butts out.
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We collect and store information about every package we handle so that we can efficiently provide the package delivery services demanded by our customers. We use information about our customers, their packages, and their shipping activity to provide or enhance the services we make available to our customers, communicate with our customers about additional services they may find of value, satisfy our legitimate business interests (including performing trend analysis and market studies), set prices, establish credit, fulfill a Contract of Carriage or Service Agreement, accomplish the billing function, and comply with government regulations. Although government regulations vary in the many countries in which we operate, they frequently include the reporting of information to transportation, safety, customs, and other regulatory agencies.

As we collect and use information about our customers, we may contract with vendors to assist us in processing that information for those purposes listed in the previous paragraph. These vendors are required to maintain the confidentiality of the information and are restricted from using the information for any other purpose. In addition, as UPS continues to develop its business, we may buy or sell subsidiaries or business units. As part of these transactions, customer information of the subsidiaries or business units may be one of the transferred assets.



Put it all together when vendor ships they agree to all of that above. the vendor could be made to help the shipper in giving big brother what they want. The vendor this time I bet was not made to give away your info but maybe that would have been cheeper. All i can say is the next earthquake California has I bet they'll start this crap too. Big brother is great at finding there money.
 
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