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Originally posted by sobek:
I've recommended some NC's to people. Last one I did was gran habano to pmp in fact. I spread the word on these before most here knew to buy them.

Second, my opinion of the machito was no worse than yours.

Third, it's 100% true that no pure CC smoker I know would even touch these. I was adressing what prez wrote, which is simply far fetched. Take that to the cigar-wise forum and post that and watch yourself get flamed about 30 pages for writing something like that. Just because you don't know any better doens't mean i am being a jerk. I am simply being blunt. And most older posters here know that if he did in fact post that on cigar-wise, he would be laughed at...they just wont admit it.

4th, unless you work as a roller in the dominican or your family personally owns a NC label, WTF do you even care what my opinion is? You didn't make them, so why should you care.

First of all, I don't post on Cigar Wise so your whole statement is really irrelevent. And even if I did post there, why would I give a crap if a bunch of toadies ganged up on me and flamed me? If that ever happened, after I got done laughing at everybody taking themselves so seriously, I'd follow that post up with a statement like "Well, I just had an FDO Corojo that I enjoyed very much." You see Sobek, I also smoke cc's so I do know what I'm talking about and I know what I like. The fact that I can enjoy an NC and a CC is quite inconsequential. Pompous snobs try to make more of it than what it is. If you don't smoke NC's Sobek, why in the hell do you even belong to this site? The CC info here is nil.

Second, most people that smoke Habanos exclusively have no freakin' clue what a JdN Antano tastes like. Did I say it was better than a Cuban? Fu(k no. But I associate with some guys who are younger and only smoke Cohiba's or farm rolled or what have you and I gave one of these guys one at a herf. I saw him yesterday as I was splitting a box with him and he had smoked the JdN and found it powerful and liked it. So I hope he doesn't post on Cigar Wise or he'll get flamed by the toadies during their playground internet bullying session.

Third, if all you smoke is CC's, why do you post on CA? There isn't much discussion on the C&CC board unless you're a member of the warring parties.

I don't think I've ever butted heads with you before. Just doesn't seem right posting about Cigar Wise's reaction on the CA boards and trying to call me out for stating a third party observation in regards to the JdN Antano Beli. Thank God I wasn't posting about a reaction to a Torano.

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Originally posted by sobek:
So i'm critical of NC's. I've admitted it and I don't deny it. What's the big deal? There are a handful I do buy and the rest, truthfully, I think completely suck. But that's my opinion. Where does it say that an opinion has to agree with you guys just to be voiced?? As long as I spent the money to try it and honestly smoked it, there is nothing wrong with me posting my comments.

There have plenty of threads where I have said people can smoke phillys for all I care, as long as they enjoy them. But when you start comparing them to CC's and implying they are just as good or better...that just invites a comment (which is more to what I was referring to, pmp). If some guy posted how some Thompsons house brands are just as good as camachos and JdN (maybe not the same situation, but similar), you can't tell me you wouldn't throw in a comment.

pmp doesn't get all huffy like the rest of you. He and I disagree on camachos. I have 2 boxes of monarcas in my humi...but I don't think they are better than "REAL CUBANS" like one poster said about a million times. It's just my opinion. Don't like it, ignore it. telling someone to "smoke a pole" over some rolled up tobacco is a bit small.

And like i said before stog, you might not find my opinions useful, but there are many mostly CC smokers who still dabble in NC's who might find my opinions more similar to theirs.

I dabble in CC's also, and your intitled to your opinion. You just dont like a lot of NC's, is that it. Why dont you go post all of your Cuban knowledge on the CC board and contribute. You know there is not alot of posters on there, so why dont you help them out. Unless your truly full of yourself.

The point is you just dont say, I dont like this cigar. You have to go through a whole spill about how better cubans are and ETC. We have had this discussion before, two different animals.

If you read what I wrote, I do smoke NC's. I just don't find most of them enjoyable and I don't poosyfoot around just to make the NC guys here happy. If I don't like something, I write an honest opinion. You guys make it seem like unless everyone is jerking each other off on their opinions of a NC that is supposed to be good, anything to the contrary is not ok.

Recently I bought a box of Raphael Gonzalez that hugely disappointed me. I wrote on another site that I thought they were poor. Got a few flames for writing that as well. So it's not like I bash NC's. I just bluntly state my opinions on what I have tried and given a fair shot. There is nothing wrong with that.

I mentioned cigar-wise to identify a group of dedicated cc smokers as a group many of you would have knowledge of. no doubt, and you know this to be true I'm sure, that almost all of them would not be "blown away" by a JdN of any size. So say what you want, but I did not write anything that was untrue.

And why don't I just go to another board? i've been posting on CA on and off since 1996 or 97. Back then you didn't even need to register. So old habits are hard to break. I post on other boards, but not with this name...mostly because I got flamed ridiculously for telling the CC&C guys to lay off flaming the NC people one too many times...hows that for irony?

I wasnt referring to you leaving this board Sobek. I meant the CC&C board on this site, why dont you contribute more on this CC board? You would be a great asset to the CC&C community if you posted all of your knowledge.

OK nuff said. You guys disagree. Big Friggin Deal. Lets not get moderated for your opinions.

I love cc's. JdN Anatano Beli's should be in every cigar smokers humi though.

Sobek, I'd be glad to send you one of mine. Perhaps you're basing your opinion on a poor burning Machito. My Beli's aren't harsh, but they'll bend you over and prison rape you.

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Originally posted by El Presidente:
My Beli's aren't harsh, but they'll bend you over and prison rape you.

Is that what you like about them? I don't think I need to hear anymore El P.

That's why I keep them buried in the bottom of my cooledor....my locked cooledor located in the basement of my office....in solitary confinement. I had a box of HSG's sitting on top of them but Alec Bradley's smokes weren't very hardy cell mates. I had to put my Cazadores in there to settle things down, but who knows how long that will last.

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Originally posted by csmithnj:
The Consul is one of my favorite cigars. It's a great cigar.

Has anyone tried the Celebracion? I haven't seen any of these locally and I'm wondering if it's worth a purchase.

csmith, JDN makes a Celebracion Consul that's a really nice cigar. I had my first one the other day. Is that the one you are referring to?

Damn El P, first you email me about your ladies stockings, now this? LOL........

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Originally posted by MCDavis:
csmith, JDN makes a Celebracion Consul that's a really nice cigar. I had my first one the other day. Is that the one you are referring to?

That's the one. Local JR's sells Antano but not the Celebracion. If they're good, I'll look on CBid for a 5-pack to try.

Why do these threads degenerate into attacks instead of cigar review? Most of the cigars I smoke are Cuban, but I love the JDN antanos. Lots of power, good flavor & they're inexpensive. Really can't beat that!

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Originally posted by csmithnj:

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Originally posted by MCDavis:
csmith, JDN makes a Celebracion Consul that's a really nice cigar. I had my first one the other day. Is that the one you are referring to?

That's the one. Local JR's sells Antano but not the Celebracion. If they're good, I'll look on CBid for a 5-pack to try.

I reviewed the JDN celebracion a while back too. If you are going to try one definitely go with the torpedos or consuls. The coronas are very inconsistent. The celebracion is good but different from the antano. The antano is more in your face while the celebracion has more subtle spice and sweetness. I like em both for different reasons.

Thanks for the info. I'll go search for the review.

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Originally posted by El Presidente:
Sobek, I'd be glad to send you one of mine. Perhaps you're basing your opinion on a poor burning Machito. My Beli's aren't harsh, but they'll bend you over and prison rape you.

I figured the machito just needed time. Burned ok, but was just rough. I lurked around for a place to buy them, but didn't want to end up with 50 of them...otherwise I would have bought a box already.

Sobek, if you haven't tried the griffins fuerte short corona I recommend it. I think it is much better than the machito, although I like the machitos. Anyway the short corona is a gem.

Negatory! If you want a short good ol NC you better try the Davidoff Millinium Blends, its the bomb! The only problem is the price, you can get CC's for that price. The other kicker is the one I smoked had the reminisent twang of a habano!

Have you tried one Sobek?

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Originally posted by the_stogemiester:
Negatory! If you want a short good ol NC you better try the Davidoff Millinium Blends, its the bomb! The only problem is the price, you can get CC's for that price. The other kicker is the one I smoked had the reminisent twang of a habano!

Have you tried one Sobek?

For the price of those you might as well get some boli PCs.

I just got a 10 ct box of the griffins from cheaper for like 28 bucks. Not a bad deal for a quick smoke.

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Originally posted by pmpimbura:

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Originally posted by the_stogemiester:
Negatory! If you want a short good ol NC you better try the Davidoff Millinium Blends, its the bomb! The only problem is the price, you can get CC's for that price. The other kicker is the one I smoked had the reminisent twang of a habano!

Have you tried one Sobek?

For the price of those you might as well get some boli PCs.

I just got a 10 ct box of the griffins from cheaper for like 28 bucks. Not a bad deal for a quick smoke.

Exactly, those MoFo's are expensive. They are good though.

I'll try any smoke once, or even twice. I'll grab a few griffins wherever i can get some singles or i'll just get that 10 count. I'm always on the lookout for smaller NC's that are enjoyable.

Davidoff is a bit too rich for my pockets though. Just a quick search i found millenium 25 box of PC's for around 200 beans!