...these are sold as "pre-embargo cubans"....i got a few from a local humidor, then i purchased a couple of 5 packs off of cigarbid....they come with a certificate of authenticity, but I've been trying to research the chain of custody online, and i'm coming up with a lot of blanks. The cigar overall, is very good. Nice draw, excellent taste, but are they a fraud?

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Originally posted by akosmic:
...these are sold as "pre-embargo cubans"....i got a few from a local humidor, then i purchased a couple of 5 packs off of cigarbid....they come with a certificate of authenticity, but I've been trying to research the chain of custody online, and i'm coming up with a lot of blanks. The cigar overall, is very good. Nice draw, excellent taste, but are they a fraud?

Do a search on "pinar" You will find that you have been taken for a ride. Hope you kept your hands and feet inside the ride at all times.

http://forums.cigaraficionado.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/94...?r=77760085#77760085

http://forums.cigaraficionado.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/94...=212108182#212108182

http://forums.cigaraficionado.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/76...=530105923#530105923

http://forums.cigaraficionado.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/76...=820100223#820100223

Hopefully those links will provide you some interesting reading. From what I understand, they aren't bad smokes, a bit underfilled, and other then that, you've been sold a bill of goods.

Alan

I've been smoking the Armondo Ramos Rabaino. It is part of the pinar line. I think they are fantastic. The flavor changes through out the smoke from peppery to spice to a somewhat raison flavor. I just ordered three of the Pinars and they should arrive in a couple days. The local Tinder Box here just ran out of Pinar and ordered more at the Vegas show.
I will wright my opinion when they arrive. Until then look into the aRr Armondo Ramos Rabaino. 40% pre embargo Cuban filler with 60% Ecuidor filler, Ecq binder and Ecq wrapper.

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At this point, it doesn't much matter whether people think Pinars are or aren't genuine---the tobacco from which they're made is virtually gone; the allocations to retailers will continue for a few more months and then, no more.

OK this morning I recieved three Pinar 3000 corona naturel. I really enjoyed it. It lit perefectly and the draw was nice and easy from begining to end. It wasn't very complex but it was very consistent. A mouthfull of mellow creamy smoke. The blue smoke emiting from the head was almost neon. The feel in the hand was perfect as was the apperence of the wrapper. I would say a bit more than medium bodied but not medium to full. A very earthy taste where you could almost invision the soil it came from. Burned evenly from begining to end with a whitish grey ash. I can't compare it to anything i've had recently. All around I would buy more and just may do so. Alot better than some of the $10.00 dominicans that are out there.

There ARE PINARs that come without the controversy, without the limited supply and without the killer pricetag...Pinar Suprema, Pinar Feroz and Pinar de Oro
FWIW

i've been smoking the "Bella fina", and they don't suck at all, regardless of the hype, i just don't get why the company would have to market a lie, when it's a beautiful smoke, but whatever, "different strokes for different folks" ...I think it was "sly and the family stone who said that....

Hey AK- glad to hear that you like the Bela Finas (they're my personal favorite in the line. If you get a chance, check out the NON-Cuban Pinars for comparison.

Ok, today I smoked the huge 10/60 Pinar and I don't care what the nay sayers say. These are Cuban through and through. This cigar was one of the best cigars I smoked (imo). It smoked perfect from begining to end and had a wonderfull aroma. It started out spicy and peppery and a bit dry. Half way through it became more mellow with an earthy herbal flavor. As I was 3/4ths of the way through a distinct chocolate carmel flavor burst through. Think carmel flan. It had the distinct taste only found in Cubans. You cannot duplicate the tobacco from the pinar del rio area of Cuba (imo)
I payed $20.00 apiece for two of them and they blow most $20.00 dominicans including opusx away.
Great cigar(imo)
The non Cuban Pinars are not even close, but the AR Robaina is simular.

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Originally posted by littoines:
Ok, today I smoked the huge 10/60 Pinar and I don't care what the nay sayers say. These are Cuban through and through. This cigar was one of the best cigars I smoked (imo).

What? Do you mean to tell me you're actually FORMING YOUR OWN OPINION? Haven't you heard, all the experts on this board say it's crap, so your taste buds must be wrong.

Congrats, Littoines, for having the courage to stand up for your tastes. And that was a very good review.

I've smoked a few of the "El Ferroz" torps from National Cigar in IA just to try, and they were like a poor man's LFD maduro chisel. Not bad, not great either, I've only had a couple CC's for comparison, but they definitely aren't a Bolivar BF!

Hey Bacchus-- "like a poor man's LFD Chisel MADURO"????
the el FERoZ doesn't come in maduro. I am so confused

Sorry, I was merely referring to a similar type of flavor in the LFD maduro to compare. Although the wrapper is dark and not quite maduro on the El Ferroz I've had, I wasn't making a visual comparison. I think the Pinar are a fine smoke and they were almost as strong as the LFD, but lacked some complexity.

Got it.
The thing I personally like about the Feroz is not the power, but the aroma. I confess to walking around the office sometimes with a box of Feroz stuck under my nose like a horse with a feed bag on.

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Originally posted by Pmagus:
Got it.
The thing I personally like about the Feroz is not the power, but the aroma. I confess to walking around the office sometimes with a box of Feroz stuck under my nose like a horse with a feed bag on.

I hope your not shipping that box out.

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